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    6 months ago

    Is this really what makes a fascist? Almost every party in democratic world uses similar rhetorics.

    Nope, predominantly an American quote in the 21st century. And while it doesn’t necessarily make you a fascists, it does check the extreme tribalism flag. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_are_either_with_us,_or_against_us

    This is pretty much 99% of human history.

    Correct, and modern democracies tried their best to change course. Some more successfully than others. If you want successful examples look at Finland, those guys played a significant role in many peace treaties, including the famous European peace. And here’s the kicker, FOR NOTHING IN RETURN. Or rather no immediate monetary or political gain.

    and what to tell about single party systems, like China? Do you call them fascist too?

    YES, quite literally and unironically YES! Like come on? “Communism with Chinese Characteristics”? We’re just a couple word plays away from “National Socialism”. The Chinese government is actively conducting ethnic cleansing and jailing anybody who isn’t Chinese enough. Come on!

    I do not feel forced to watch “Top gun” or eat McDonalds

    At this point I’m starting to feel you’re a troll, but hey, it’s fun, so let’s keep going xD I was more referring to America’s foreign policy here.

    thanks god they did not kill Bernie Sanders

    Again, mainly meant foreign policy. However Burnie doesn’t get off free either. The democrats didn’t even give him a chance to be a presidential candidate despite being the crowd favorite. The guy’s getting silenced.

    like any other fucking country, just look at Chinese schools

    Not every country, again, look at Finland, Estonia or the Netherlands. Great examples of an education system that respect the people’s freedoms. And while most other European countries have something fucked up, non are anywhere near “KNEEL FOR THE FLAG!” level.

    still, rather weird tradition or aesthetics, not a fascism, for fuck’s sake

    Weird esthetics? Maybe because the esthetic invokes the other counties that did this which most were under either fascism or communism. Like sure, it doesn’t necessarily make you fascists, but role-playing as one every morning is still fucking suspicious.

    they behave like assholes at worst, still millions of foreign people dream about living in USA

    Look in a mirror. The US treats everyone else like a terrorist before they even step foot into the country. And yes, half the people that didn’t go to America yet still think it’s amazing. America is really good at advertising. If America doesn’t want foreigners to dream about it, maybe it could stop advertising it self as the only valid way of life.

    This sucks indeed, but this is not inherent to USA, rather to police in general.

    Kinda, there are some bad apples in other counties too, like France for example. But the US still stands proud and tall for having one of the worst. Literally no other county arrest more people per capita than American. Not even your favorite China. Also having snipers at every protest? Fucking really? Direct military hand downs?

    You say my “accusations”, but most of what I said are statements you didn’t even negate, just said that some of em don’t necessarily make the US fascist and the rest you renamed to “imperialism”, which IS NOT BETTER! The only difference is that imperialism doesn’t need to include nationalism, it’s an umbrella term, under which fascism falls under!

    But boy, it’s funny you’d mention the Russian shithole, considering the US seems rather proactively aiming towards it. The republicans especially seem to have em as their role model. If things keep changing the way they have been for the last 20 years, I give it tops another 30 years before the only thing that makes America better than Russia will be the running water. Maybe faster if the supreme courts keeps up the pace it demonstrated the last 2 weeks.

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        Ey, cheers mate, refreshing to get a composed response!

        I’d argue there are more sides than just NATO vs China and friends. India often fucks over both sides because both refuse to acknowledge it and its concerns for example. It saddens me that such counties don’t give a shit, but I can’t really fault them too much considering we do the same to them. And such rhetoric only serves as fuel for them to mock us.

        You’re definitely right that we also need military might to protect our values, as a European I’m disgusted by our inactivity and reliance on the US. On the subject of cute counties, I’d argue Finland isn’t one of em, I’d also add Sweeden just for military reasons while I’m at it. Both have strong militaries with plenty of reserves/mobilization potential, Finland even has nuclear ready bunkers under every major city. So glad we got em in NATO now, hope the rest of Europe catches up soon.

        And not gonna lie, as much as I shit on America, it’s largely because I’m also sacred. The US is on a slippery slope due to decades of ignorance and if the US goes to shit it’s gonna have far and wide consequences around the globe. I hope the Trump situation will act as a wake up call for us in Europe, and we’ll get our shit together, not only to be self sufficient, but hopefully emerge as a genuine ally for peace and freedom that reaches beyond diplomacy. If America falls and Europe doesn’t get its shit together, that’s good bye for Ukraine and then what? That would set a new standard, a world in which might makes right… No even an attempt at rule of law.

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          I’d argue there are more sides than just NATO vs China and friends. India often fucks over both sides

          No, there are no more sides. India was buying shittons of russian military equipment and stopped to do so since it is even worse shit after the soviet union collapse. India is not a third, autonomous pole in the world geopolitics. Another “two faced” country I can recall is Hungary. I think there is no doubt now that Orban is Putin’s cocksucking lapdog.

          glad we got em in NATO now, hope the rest of Europe catches up soon.

          I think the situation improves a little, I think France underperformed despite Macron’s bold words. Now the things may get better. But there is plenty to be done, and much more efforts to be taken, i.e. military spending like during the Cold War.

          as much as I shit on America, it’s largely because I’m also sacred. The US is on a slippery slope due to decades of ignorance and if the US

          When I am writing it, Britain and France voted, and the results gave me hope. These are very good news for Europe. I hope that Americans will go vote and choose whoever will be Trump’s opponent. I am so pissed by the “both sides bad”, “I am not voting” fucking tankie Kremlin trolls.

          If America falls and Europe doesn’t get its shit together, that’s good bye for Ukraine and then what?

          Baltic countries, Poland, other countries from the post-communist block, more… Especially given the resources taken in Ukraine. Europe would be fucked.

          Anyway, I wish for you and myself (also European) that the russian authoritarian scums will be stopped together with their lapdogs.