• Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    Way to go with posstingt “captialism is evil and amhasnt done anything good!” from a device over a network onto a server, none of which would be able to exist at this point without capitalism.

    Yes, like democracy, capitalism has huge issues that need to be addressed. However, it’s also the most successful system, which is -like democracy- it’s the biggest in the world.

    Thinking that the world will just go on as it does now when we all collectively go love in communist hippy communes is very VERY naive and just plain dumb. Say goodbye to lots of required materials and technologies, say good bye to the huge amounts of food that are available now, say goodbye to all the pharmaceuticals that er have now.

    Yes yes, unlimited capitalism asut currently is, sucks. It needs to be curbed badly, but it still must form the basis of our economies. Use its output to generate a socialist society where we can help everyone, care for the environment, etc.

    Adding just a little big of nuance to your life might not be a bad thing, you know?

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        1 year ago

        Economists and every country that wants to be more than backwaters, that’s who. Like democracy, capitalism sucks, but it’s the best system around.

        Yes, Capitalism is very flawed and requires a lot of limitations to function well, but if done well, capitalism is better than anything else by factors.

        The USA is capitalism gone way overboard, but still, poor people now under capitalism have it better than people ever would or could have it under, say, communism. There are extremes, like the homeless that should be helped by social systems that the US simply doesn’t have because, again, capitalism has gone way overboard there, but overall there is a reason why it’s by far the most powerful country in the world.

        I agree that we should equalize the levels for everybody, but I want to do that by pulling up the poor, you want to do it by kicking everybody not poor down. You keep capitalism but then start taxing the crap out of the rich…hell, tax them 100% income once they reach a certain upper limit. Use all that money for social networks that catch those that don’t get successful. That is what makes succes, Communism does not.

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          1 year ago

          Your comments are mostly a Gish gallop.

          Mainstream institutions are dominated by liberal economists because leftist economists are generally not considered for positions and leftist economics is generally not taught to students. In the last several decades economics departments have become even stricter, ensuring a composition of tight ideological alignment to neoliberalism.

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      Material is provided by nature, and transformed by human labor, aided by tools and machines.

      Material and technology is independent of social systems.

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            1 year ago

            Ah, got it.

            And no, that is not how anything works. Lots of materials we use these days are very rare, only found in specific countries or require very specialist (and rare) factories to refine. This means that if we need specific materials there simply is no way to get it locally.

            Same with building certain technologies. Want to have computers with those 7nm chips? Good luck. you’ll need thousand of specialist engineers, highly refined source materials, boat loads of other suppliers, highly specific machines that are able to create your chips that basically are produced by a world monopoly at the moment (hello ASML!)

            Say goodbye to all of that.

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              1 year ago

              Trade and occupation are independent of economic system.

              Groups obtaining minerals from other regions, and individuals working occupationally as engineers, will both remain after capitalism.

              Capitalism is simply a social system, in that it broadly determines various kinds of social relationships within a society.

              The main relationship that defines capitalism is the relationship between employee versus employer, or worker versus boss.

              Without bosses, we still trade resources, and we still create products