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    Advancing past the status quo of oligarchs exploiting workers is what you have seemed to me as rejecting as impossible.

    I didn’t mention oligarchs. This is what I said:

    “Some things can’t be advance beyond the status quo, for example the existence of exploitation.”

    It may be possible to advance past oligarchs but it is not possible to advance past exploitation.

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        Oligarchs are the exploiters.

        Oligarchs are not the only exploiters.

        Exploitation is the theft by oligarchs.

        Exploitation isn’t limited to oligarchs.

        It seems like you’re trying to redefine the term “exploitation”.

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            Exploitation is universal amongst humans. There are no divisions, such as class, that distinguish between humans who exploit others and humans who don’t exploit others. There are no groups of humans without exploitation. There are no humans who don’t exploit others.

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              Socialists understand exploitation as the relationship by which one societal class, called owners, claims as profit value generated by the labor provided by another class, called workers.

              Such kind of relationship is particular to historical periods, and is not universal or inevitable within any human society generally.

              Socialists have found class analysis to be the most broadly useful framework to understand social systems.

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                Socialists understand exploitation as the relationship by which one societal class, called owners, claims as profit value generated by the labor provided by another class, called workers.

                That’s a limited understanding of exploitation.

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                  Exploitation is simply a term chosen to describe a kind of relationship that has appeared on our current economic systems.

                  You are free to use the same word in other contexts, but your objection is not particularly meaningful in juxtaposition to your previous ones, and your complaints are obviously more directly motivated for obfuscation than by sincerity.

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                    You are free to use the same word in other contexts

                    Thanks for your permission.

                    your objection is not particularly meaningful

                    I disagree.

                    in juxtaposition to

                    LOL

                    your complaints are obviously more directly motivated by obfuscation than by sincerity

                    LOL