Even from people that never lived in a communist state

edit: im 17 and i hate communism

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    7 months ago

    When I was 15 me and my friends made fun of communists and joked they were probably posting from their parent’s computers. Now that I’m middle aged I’m a socialist, although wouldn’t quite say communist. I haven’t read Marx, but I do believe the point of a government is to help people, and our governments aren’t doing enough in that regard. I believe privately held corporations are designed to make their owners money, and if that interferes with the common good then they should be stopped.

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        7 months ago

        There are definitely failed communist states. Everyone always talks about bad examples and not successes like say, Nordic countries. And I realize I’m not saying something new here, but if we can agree those countries are doing well, but argue they’re not socialist, then why don’t we go ahead and implement the programs they have?

        I don’t particularly care what the label is, I care about the outcome. I want people to get treated for illness without going bankrupt. I want everyone to have access to education. Every person should have somewhere to sleep. Every person should have enough to eat.

        If this was the middle ages we could argue that it’s the law of the jungle, and the strong survive while the weak fall to the side. Today we have abundance to the point that we absolutely have enough for everyone. It’s the system that distributes goods and assigns tasks which isn’t up to the job.

        Call it what you want, but I believe we should improve our system to address those problems, and I believe it’s possible to address them.

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            7 months ago

            Well as I said I’d call myself a socialist more than communist, and for many that’s splitting hairs, but I think it’s reasonable to call them socialist. But my whole point was if we skip the labeling, they have elements in their governments that I’d like to see emulated. It’s possible to have a democratically controlled nation that works more for the benefit of its people.

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            7 months ago

            I’m fairly familiar with the Nordic countries and I think it’s important to have a market. Still, they’re known for “socialist” policies like universal healthcare, strong welfare benefits and Norway’s sovereign wealth fund. They also manage to have strong democracies (including proportional representation) without turning into dictatorships like people accuse communist/socialist countries of doing.

            What I was getting at is would you agree the countries are doing well? If so, who cares about the label, why don’t we do some of that stuff?

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                7 months ago

                You don’t think universal healthcare is socialist? Free higher education?

                Again, I don’t care as much about the label, but when these things are suggested in America it’s socialist. When you point out anything good about the Nordics or just Europe generally the answer is they’re not socialist, and it’s not because of socialism. But we can’t do those things in America because it’s socialist.

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                  7 months ago

                  No, they are not Socialist. They are wonderful social programs made easier in Socialism, of course, but they are not Socialist.

                  Socialism is a Mode of Production, not a government service.

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                    7 months ago

                    Point taken.

                    In your opinion, are worker cooperatives operating in a market economy socialist?

                    And do you consider any countries today socialist?