This will work out really well for them.
They want maximum Palestinian deaths.
It isn’t the resistance who has killed or wounded over 100,000 in six months.
Dismantle the apartheid state, and stop the occupation and you will have no resistance.
Until then, people who live it every day have a moral and legal right to resistance, even through armed resistance as was declared through multiple UN resolution over the decades.
Does shooting up a music festival and civilian neighborhoods count as legal violent resistance according to the UN?
As far as we can tell, the vast majority of the damage done at the festival and the kibbutz was done by the IDF. Eye witness accounts recounted that when they arriv d at the festival they were surprised and lost and asked where the military base was.
And your source is? Because I’ve literally seen Hamas released propaganda videos of them shooting up the Kibbutz and festival.
They just released a video from a hostage that had his arm blown off that was attending the music festival
Yeah sucks for that guy. Doesn’t change what I said.
Hamas is the resistance?
That’s a joke, right? It must be, because I can’t stop laughing. Let me know when you get booked on Rogan.
Absolutely! Killed by the Israeli. Women and children. Disproportionately at more than 30:1 ratios.
What would you suggest Palestinians do in the face of the genocidal monster known as Israel?
Stop targeting Isreali civilians and target the Israeli military/state only, like every other independence movement that gained widespread international support.
You know aside from proto isrealis like Lehi which bombed ironically enough a mandate of Palestinian embassy killing civilians.
If you’re not aware they’re heros of Israel and were absorbed directly into the Israeli military and given medals for terrorist acts as Israel became a nation.
If you’re not aware they’re heros of Israel and were absorbed directly into the Israeli military and given medals for terrorist acts as Israel became a nation.
I mean yeah I knew about that, but literally all of Israel’s neighbors hated them, I wouldn’t say that’s being successful in gaining support from the broader international community, hasn’t the UN been condemning Israel for all of its actions against Palestine since 1948?
I was thinking more of the ANC and Mandela, who tried to avoid civilian deaths throughout the fight against Apartheid.
They didn’t have neighbors! They weren’t a fucking country they were an ethnic minority taking offensive action against Palestine to force the mandate to make a country for them. Sure the UN condemns it in the same way they condemn illegal settlements and settler’s killing of Palestinians, ie. In word only
You can avoid conflict to some extent but when they’re striking food gatherings, refugees and a statistically unlikely amount of “accidental” deaths of journalists and often their entire families the whole turn the other cheek thing just leaves you with two black eyes and an entitled abuser.
They didn’t have neighbors! They weren’t a fucking country they were an ethnic minority taking offensive action against Palestine to force the mandate to make a country for them.
They did have neighbors after they won the war in '48, that’s what I was referencing, iirc there wasn’t very much international support for either side pre-Israeli statehood, most of the weapons the Zionists used in '48 were smuggled from Czechoslovakia or stolen from the British for example.
Sure the UN condemns it in the same way they condemn illegal settlements and settler’s killing of Palestinians, ie. In word only
That’s really all the UN can do when Israel’s powerful international sponsors will veto anything more than that. My point is that a majority of nations on earth have condemned Israel, and that doesn’t feel like widespread international support to me.
the whole turn the other cheek thing just leaves you with two black eyes and an entitled abuser.
I’m not suggesting Palestinians should “turn the other cheek” I’m saying that killing civilians does nothing for their cause except give Zionists something to point to and say “See we were totally right, we have to keep displacing them because they’re violent and can’t be trusted with statehood”.
If Hamas only targeted the Israeli military and state, then there would be no massacres for the Zionists to point to.
Yes yes, history benefits you of you don’t look too deeply, gotcha. Germany had never had any racial issues… Just ignore ≈1850-1945.
Not stopping it at some point becomes support, it’s an invasion and occupation of a non peer nation.
Oh I’m sure there was never any religious zealotry in the middle east before 1948… Not one.
Yes yes, history benefits you of you don’t look too deeply, gotcha. Germany had never had any racial issues… Just ignore ≈1850-1945.
Non-sequitur?
Not stopping it at some point becomes support, it’s an invasion and occupation of a non peer nation.
Yes which is why Hamas is perfectly justified in targeting Israeli military personnel under international law. Shooting up random gated neighborhoods full of civilians and random music festivals, however, is completely and unequivocally unjustifiable and needs to stop if they ever want to succeed in their goal of an independent Palestine.
Oh I’m sure there was never any religious zealotry in the middle east before 1948… Not one.
Non-sequitur?
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More power to them. Someone has got to fight back against the aggressor.
Is that what October 7th was? Was that really an aggressive music festival?
Considering they were clearly intending to hit military and police targets and that the rave and kibbutz confrontations happened because they got stuck there in a firefight. And that at least half of the casualties ended up being military or police (a legitimate target under international law). I’d say so, yes. It’s a heck of a better kill ratio than the IDF has, that’s for sure.
I don’t give a shit what they intended to do.
They killed innocents, they aren’t the good guys either
Yes, lie to justify the terrorist attack why dont you.
Have you not seen a single video from that day? They gunned down civilians running away screaming, they went house to house in the Kibutz and shot or kidnapped anyone they found, literally on camera.
If you rave on contested ground during your genocide, you don’t get to complain when the prisoners break the locks.
Now defend the children they kidnapped.
Explain to me why children should be involved.
Because Israel did it is not a valid reason, they are kids.
So Germans wouldn’t of been able to say anything had Abba Kovner and Nakam succeeded?
That’s feels a lot like collective punishment but just reversed on the original oppressor. That’s not creating any more justice, just reversing the roles in a still oppressive system.
The strawman argument has arrived.
Is it really a strawman? The “resistance” were the ones who did October 7th, and the ones who shot up the music festival. I don’t think there’s any way to defend a group that does that, other than trying to argue it was somehow justified.
So what about before Oct 7th what about the hundreds of dead Palestinians in the last year in the West Bank? What about the 2014 massacres in Gaza? 2006? Is that also because of Oct 7th?
Get lost apartheid apologist.
That doesn’t make killing or kidnapping innocents right.
Both sides of this are bad people and the only good ones are the innocents caught in the middle
One side is a genocidal apartheid state. The other is the recipient of that. And you, a very smart person, think it’s ok to both side this issue and criticise oppressed people’s meager means of resistance. That makes you an apartheid apologist. You’re the same type of person who called Mandela a terrorist, but probably praises him now. You’re on the wrong side of history.
Am I? I feel safe just going with fuck hummus and fuck Israel.
Good people don’t attack music festivals and kill innocents that have nothing to do with it.
Good people also don’t demolish cities and kill innocents that have nothing to do with the fight.
Get lost, Oct 7th apologist
Do those justify what Hamas did on October 7th? It’s possible to criticize both sides when both sides have been repeatedly committing atrocities on each other since 1948.
I believe that without one of the sides stopping and saying they’re done and want peace, and the other side being forced to not capitalize on that situation by the international community, that both sides will constantly feel justified in their violence on eachothers civilians.
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