• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    7 months ago

    Alright so first of all: neither of us can prove to the other that our respective selves exist.

    solipsism gets us nowhere

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      7 months ago

      Yes, that’s the point; if we can’t tolerate any uncertainty, then in essence nothing is provable and there’s nothing to do. It’s inconsistent to assert that I must have perfect knowledge about something while acting as though I exist when you have no way of verifying that.

      When you say that you have a degree, you mean specifically in philosophy, correct?

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        7 months ago

        you have a degree, you mean specifically in philosophy

        my focus was logic and scientific reasoning but the undergrad requirements covered ethics

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        7 months ago

        It’s inconsistent to assert that I must have perfect knowledge about something while acting as though I exist when you have no way of verifying that.

        there are ethical systems that can exist even if we don’t. kantian ethics require only that you decide what should be universal law and act accordingly. that doesn’t require that you know anything outside of yourself. by contrast, utilitarianism is fraught with epistemic problems.

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          7 months ago

          Every set of axioms is independent of reality by definition. Deontology isn’t special in that way; consequentialist systems are also axiom sets. Furthermore, every ethical system has the same problem when putting it into practice; if you don’t know anything about the world, your ethics system might as well be empty.

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            7 months ago

            if you don’t know anything about the world, your ethics system might as well be empty.

            i suppose so, but if your axioms depend on the future, which by definition is unknowable, then it is empty.

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              7 months ago

              Consequentialist axioms impose an ordering on world-states, almost all of which will never exist. I don’t understand how you can think the axioms themselves depend on future events; by definition they wouldn’t be axioms.