Good analysis of what options (or lack of) the west has with their commitment to killing Ukranians.

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    It’s nothing more than a paranoid fantasy that Russia will invade Poland, but it seems like most people here think they will if we don’t send Ukranians to their deaths…

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      Can you show me where the West threatend to invade Russia? Because Russians do so regularly. Calling that “paranoid” is just willfull ignorance for the sake of being an asshole.

      Same for your casual insinuation that the West is “sending Ukrainians to their deaths”. The only one forcing them to fight is Russians crossing the border and murdering Ukrainians.

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        Invading Russia = making political inroads into their historical sphere of influence. The “existential” threat to Russia is that it loses its historic colonial outposts.

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        Sorry, can you show me where the Russians have actually threatened to invade eastern Europe since 1991?

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          Haha you adding that disclaimer “since 1991” is the funniest thing. Russia losing their occupation of Poland does not undo anything that happened before. But here are some examples for you to completely ignore:

          https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1516883853431955456

          https://poland.postsen.com/news/43034/Ramzan-Kadyrov-is-raving-again-and-threatening-Poland-First-in-line-after-capturing-Kiev--News-from-the-world.html

          We are already working on a plan for the demilitarization of NATO countries, and Poland is the first in the line after the capture of Kiev

          We are ready to take Kyiv and NATO countries without any problems on orders. Our combat-hardened units will not be able to resist any army in the world. We have experience, arsenal, faith, patriotism, idea and truth! The West does not yet understand how strong we are

          I’m sure you’ll manage to find more if you care.

          So why do you believe that Russia’s selfimposed fear of invasion is not a paranoid delusion?

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            Oh of we’re just talking about random senators or TV personalities then yeah Russia has lots of people that want to restore the Soviet union. I meant from people at their MOF or MOD, or in the presidents office, people who’s threats would carry weight beyond playing to domestic politics.

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              It’s cute that you try to talk it down but prominent figures in Russia are talking about invading Europe, murdering its people and eradicating cities.

              And no one West of the Russian border cares one bit about moving the Russian border even a meter eastwards. The claim that Nato is a threat to Russia is a sad lie it tells itself to justify its imperialism.

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                  What am I ignoring? That it’s a complete waste of time engaging with you because you never acknowledge that you are a liar?

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                    It’s hard to spell it out for you more clearly. There are plenty of people in the US and Europe advocating for the break up of Russia.

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          I can show you one fairly well-known example.

          I actually do get Russia having a violent response against a hostile alliance coming up right to their borders. That side of it makes sense to me. But also, NATO and EU membership was much less of a priority for Ukraine before Russia started invading their borders and killing their citizens. Once Russia has rolled their military into neighboring sovereign nations and started killing and raping and blowing up homes, I think they’re forfeited their right to whine about the unfairness if their neighbors decide to join a mutual-defense alliance that can beat the shit out of them.

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          Russia did invade parts of Eastern Europe in 2008, then again in 2014, then again in 2022…