Ukraine told critics of the pace of its three-month-old counteroffensive to "shut up" on Thursday, the sharpest signal yet of Kyiv's frustration at leaks from Western officials that say its forces are advancing too slowly.
I believe that degrading the army of one of the US greatest geopolitical world rivals at the cost of roughly 3% of the DoD budget is money well spent.
They’re not gonna let you into the club just because you lick the boot leather. I believe the 100.000s of dead ukrainians are more important than some vague US geopolitical goal.
The Ukrainians are fighting this war for their own purpose, to reject tyrannical rule.
The ukrainians are forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving their country. They do not want to fight.
The US didn’t impose this war, 100,000 Russians invading did
Yeah one day putler just woke up and felt like invading, that’s what happened.
If you think this is such a good war, go volunteer.
Right right, which countries acknowledge that Palestine exists again?
You don’t care. You’ve never cared! Stop lying to our fucking faces you gremlin, you love this! You love this war because you’re a mindless western drone that loves cheering for imperialism and the deaths of the enemies of ‘the west’
You don’t give a single fuck about countries sovereignty, nor of human rights, nor of life and liberty
World order is acknowledging sovereign countries exist and it’s wrong to invade them
The United States has invaded many more countries than Russia and China, and yet they are sanctioned for doing so/if America thinks they might do so, while not a single person in the American government is punished for the deaths of millions. They even get promoted and hired again on later governments! America created the world order! Rules for thee, not for me!
Sure, there’s no power imbalance between the global hegemonic ruler and its “allies”. The fact that on paper they each get a vote means its perfectly equal
libs will say this and then turn around and say “BRICS is just an arm of China, it’s dominated by them economically”
(not that that point is entirely false, BRICS is indeed economically dominated by China and I wonder if there would be half as much interest for countries to join if China wasn’t in it, but India is a pretty big counterweight to China’s power in BRICS in practice)
The Ukrainians could stop this war anytime they want
The Ukrainian government could, the same government that banned every political party that wasn’t sufficiently anti-Russia. And the last time the people got to vote, they elected Zelensky who ran as a peace candidate. So no, the people of Ukraine, the ones being drafted and sent to the front lines, have very little say over whether Ukraine negotiates for peace.
“Wait a minute” None of this surprises you. Youre doing this for show. You want us to feel guilty about our beliefs, and your plan is to act shocked and bewildered by things you know. Begone debate-pervert
There were Nazi groups in the US at the beginning of WWIi. They were quite large. Within a year, every leader of the Bund was interned or jailed as dangerous aliens, and by the end of December 1941, the US Government outlawed the German-American Bund
I thought Ukraine were the Good Guys ™? Good Guys don’t repress political groups because they disagree with them, they should debate them in the marketplace of ideas.
The US jailed every leader of the US Nazi Bund as dangerous aliens, and by the end of December 1941, the US Government outlawed the German-American Bund.
Don’t say that he’s hypocritical,
Say rather that he’s apolitical.
“Once the rockets are up,
Who cares where they come down?
That’s not my department,”
Says Wernher von Braun.
The Ukrainians could stop this war anytime they want, as could Putin.
The ukrainians are being forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving the country. They do not want to fight. The russians have sought peace negotiations several times, NATO-members like the United Kingdom, have come and stopped these negotiations.
Reality is the Russians invaded. They rejected world order.
Ah yes, one day evil putler woke up and decided to invade, that’s what happened. He rejected our Good Guys Rules Based Order because he’s just such an evil dude.
Geez…the Russians too are drafting folks. Conscription centers in Russia are firebombed. Your BS is kind of thick.
I never said they weren’t? Nice whataboutsm. You’re saying the ukrainians want to fight, I show you they don’t, you imply I’m a bot, and you fail to engage with the argument.
No, I think Putin is a murderer, comrade. I think he’s a wanted for war crimes. I think he was so stupid that he thought this would take three days.
Hey thanks for implying I’m a russian bot just because I disagree with you! Fuck you! Newsflash: People can disagree with you.
I’ve never said he wasn’t a murderer or wanted for warcrimes (though if we’re being fair, every US president is wanted for war crimes in several countries as well.) I think a guy who leads a country as big as Russia is many things, but imagining he could move state apparatus on his own to invade another country based on a whim of his, and when this whim fails he would still be in power, is incredibly stupid. Had this been the case, then Prigozhins coup would have had support. Russias reasons for invading are many, boiling it down to “Putler bad lmao” is as stupid as it is naive.
If you think he is specifically so evil, why aren’t you volunteering in Ukraine against him?
“I never said they weren’t.” You said that because Ukraine drafts fighters they don’t want to fight. That’s BS.
The ukrainians are being forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving the country. That’s not bs, they do not want to fight. If they wanted to fight, forcible conscription would not be necessary. Banning people from fleeing forcible conscription would not be necessary.
There has been no Russian yearning for peace talks. Even china’s efforts could not move the needle.
You said russians had not held peace talks, I showed you to be a liar. You are now moving the goalposts to an unfalsifiable claim of “russians aren’t yearning for peace”. This also ignores the sources I have provided you.
Newsflash: calling someone comrade does not imply anything
Why did you call me comrade? We are not agreeing on anything, and I have given no indication of being either russian or a communist. You have also not called other users “comrade” until they started disagreeing with you. This is kindergarten level shit, 5-year-olds are too mature to do what you’re doing.
Name a US president wanted by the International Criminal Court.
I never said the ICC. I said every US president is wanted for war crimes in several countries. Name a US president that has not commited a war crime.
Putin is stupid. Prigozhin’s coup did have support and now he’s dead.
On what grounds is he stupid? If the coup had support, where was this support as it was happening? Where was this support after? Where were his compatriots? You keep just making shit up. Also work on your reading comprehension
The Russians are being forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving the country. That’s not bs, they do not want to fight. If they wanted to fight, forcible conscription would not be necessary. Banning people from fleeing forcible conscription would not be necessary.
See how easy that is? Moot
I never said the ICC. I said every US president is wanted for war crimes in severa…
That’s because there isn’t one. However Putin is.
In retrospect do you think invadeing Ukraine was a smart or stupid thing to do?
We were arguing about ukraines willingness to lead this war. What does Russia have to do with that? You keep bringing up Russia, as if that in any way justifies NATO supporting a country that forcibly conscripts its citizens and bans them from leaving. You keep bringing up Russia, even though your original argument was that “ukraine wants to fight”. It’s pretty obvious ukrainians in fact do not want to fight, which was your initial argument. You have since then attempted to move the goalposts time and time again.
That’s because there isn’t one. However Putin is.
Are you denying the US has commited war crimes? Yikes.
In retrospect do you think invadeing Ukraine was a smart or stupid thing to do?
I think it was an overreaction, but looking at the way the war has been going, it’s pretty obvious Russia is seeing a lot of success. NATO is having equipment issues, the US and Europe are well on their way into a recession and a multi-polar world order is emerging. Wether this was worth it for Russia I cannot say.
You have yet to answer my questions. If you cannot do so, then this discussion cannot continue in good faith.
Name a US president wanted by the International Criminal Court.
In august of 2002, less than a year before our invasion of Iraq, the US signed the Hague Invasion act into law. There are no Americans on trial for war crimes at the ICC because we officially threatened to war crime them about it.
They’re not gonna let you into the club just because you lick the boot leather. I believe the 100.000s of dead ukrainians are more important than some vague US geopolitical goal.
The ukrainians are forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving their country. They do not want to fight.
Yeah one day putler just woke up and felt like invading, that’s what happened.
If you think this is such a good war, go volunteer.
The Ukrainians could stop this war anytime they want, as could Putin.
Reality is the Russians invaded. They rejected world order.
Based.
Henry Kissinger on suicide watch
World order is acknowledging sovereign countries exist and it’s wrong to invade them
So you’re saying Ukraine rejected world order when it breached Minsk II?
Right right, which countries acknowledge that Palestine exists again?
You don’t care. You’ve never cared! Stop lying to our fucking faces you gremlin, you love this! You love this war because you’re a mindless western drone that loves cheering for imperialism and the deaths of the enemies of ‘the west’
You don’t give a single fuck about countries sovereignty, nor of human rights, nor of life and liberty
Fuck off
Look in a mirror my friend, you may see a hypocrite staring back.
This person’s reflection:
Fantastic response, great way to engage with the other persons arguments and show you’re not a total fucking dumbass
The United States has invaded many more countries than Russia and China, and yet they are sanctioned for doing so/if America thinks they might do so, while not a single person in the American government is punished for the deaths of millions. They even get promoted and hired again on later governments! America created the world order! Rules for thee, not for me!
Russia was sanctioned by NATO countries.
NATO is an arm of the US
Each country has one vote. The US is just one country of 31 member states
Sure, there’s no power imbalance between the global hegemonic ruler and its “allies”. The fact that on paper they each get a vote means its perfectly equal
libs will say this and then turn around and say “BRICS is just an arm of China, it’s dominated by them economically”
(not that that point is entirely false, BRICS is indeed economically dominated by China and I wonder if there would be half as much interest for countries to join if China wasn’t in it, but India is a pretty big counterweight to China’s power in BRICS in practice)
Iraq Libya Afghanistan Vietnam Korea Yemen whould disagree
The Ukrainian government could, the same government that banned every political party that wasn’t sufficiently anti-Russia. And the last time the people got to vote, they elected Zelensky who ran as a peace candidate. So no, the people of Ukraine, the ones being drafted and sent to the front lines, have very little say over whether Ukraine negotiates for peace.
Wait a minute…you expect a country to tolerate those sympathetic with a country.that they’re at war with?
why is it that every ukkkraine shill acts like history started in february 2022
a lot of those bannings were pre-2022
“Wait a minute” None of this surprises you. Youre doing this for show. You want us to feel guilty about our beliefs, and your plan is to act shocked and bewildered by things you know. Begone debate-pervert
There were Nazi groups in the US at the beginning of WWIi. They were quite large. Within a year, every leader of the Bund was interned or jailed as dangerous aliens, and by the end of December 1941, the US Government outlawed the German-American Bund
And now we send them tanks
OK Wikipedia fact-of-the-day bot. Dont see what this has to do with the comment, or the one above, but can you put the human back on the line please?
I thought Ukraine were the Good Guys ™? Good Guys don’t repress political groups because they disagree with them, they should debate them in the marketplace of ideas.
The US jailed every leader of the US Nazi Bund as dangerous aliens, and by the end of December 1941, the US Government outlawed the German-American Bund.
What does the US have to do with this? Ukraine is fighting this war.
Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
The US jailed and outlawed a group sympathetic to their enemy during WWII. So, I’m not shocked that Ukraine did the same thing.
You think it was good to put the japanese in internment camps?
you think that was a good thing?
“The american governemnt banned nazi sympathizers, please don’t look too closely into our post war rocket programs”
Don’t say that he’s hypocritical, Say rather that he’s apolitical. “Once the rockets are up, Who cares where they come down? That’s not my department,” Says Wernher von Braun.
Nazi apologist
In German oder English, he knows to count down. Und im learning Chinese, says Werner von Braun.
The world order where the US is allowed to invade Iraq and kill a million people on a lie? That world order?
The ukrainians are being forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving the country. They do not want to fight. The russians have sought peace negotiations several times, NATO-members like the United Kingdom, have come and stopped these negotiations.
Ah yes, one day evil putler woke up and decided to invade, that’s what happened. He rejected our Good Guys Rules Based Order because he’s just such an evil dude.
Geez…the Russians too are drafting folks. Conscription centers in Russia are firebombed. Your BS is kind of thick.
The Russians have not sought peace negotiations.
No, I think Putin is a murderer, comrade. I think he’s a wanted for war crimes. I think he was so stupid that he thought this would take three days.
I never said they weren’t? Nice whataboutsm. You’re saying the ukrainians want to fight, I show you they don’t, you imply I’m a bot, and you fail to engage with the argument.
So that was a fucking lie
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Hey thanks for implying I’m a russian bot just because I disagree with you! Fuck you! Newsflash: People can disagree with you.
I’ve never said he wasn’t a murderer or wanted for warcrimes (though if we’re being fair, every US president is wanted for war crimes in several countries as well.) I think a guy who leads a country as big as Russia is many things, but imagining he could move state apparatus on his own to invade another country based on a whim of his, and when this whim fails he would still be in power, is incredibly stupid. Had this been the case, then Prigozhins coup would have had support. Russias reasons for invading are many, boiling it down to “Putler bad lmao” is as stupid as it is naive.
If you think he is specifically so evil, why aren’t you volunteering in Ukraine against him?
“I never said they weren’t.” You said that because Ukraine drafts fighters they don’t want to fight. That’s BS.
There has been no Russian yearning for peace talks. Even china’s efforts could not move the needle.
Newsflash: calling someone comrade does not imply anything
Name a US president wanted by the International Criminal Court.
Putin is stupid. Prigozhin’s coup did have support and now he’s dead.
The ukrainians are being forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving the country. That’s not bs, they do not want to fight. If they wanted to fight, forcible conscription would not be necessary. Banning people from fleeing forcible conscription would not be necessary.
You said russians had not held peace talks, I showed you to be a liar. You are now moving the goalposts to an unfalsifiable claim of “russians aren’t yearning for peace”. This also ignores the sources I have provided you.
Why did you call me comrade? We are not agreeing on anything, and I have given no indication of being either russian or a communist. You have also not called other users “comrade” until they started disagreeing with you. This is kindergarten level shit, 5-year-olds are too mature to do what you’re doing.
I never said the ICC. I said every US president is wanted for war crimes in several countries. Name a US president that has not commited a war crime.
On what grounds is he stupid? If the coup had support, where was this support as it was happening? Where was this support after? Where were his compatriots? You keep just making shit up. Also work on your reading comprehension
I never said they weren’t."
The Russians are being forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving the country. That’s not bs, they do not want to fight. If they wanted to fight, forcible conscription would not be necessary. Banning people from fleeing forcible conscription would not be necessary.
See how easy that is? Moot
I never said the ICC. I said every US president is wanted for war crimes in severa…
That’s because there isn’t one. However Putin is.
In retrospect do you think invadeing Ukraine was a smart or stupid thing to do?
We were arguing about ukraines willingness to lead this war. What does Russia have to do with that? You keep bringing up Russia, as if that in any way justifies NATO supporting a country that forcibly conscripts its citizens and bans them from leaving. You keep bringing up Russia, even though your original argument was that “ukraine wants to fight”. It’s pretty obvious ukrainians in fact do not want to fight, which was your initial argument. You have since then attempted to move the goalposts time and time again.
Are you denying the US has commited war crimes? Yikes.
I think it was an overreaction, but looking at the way the war has been going, it’s pretty obvious Russia is seeing a lot of success. NATO is having equipment issues, the US and Europe are well on their way into a recession and a multi-polar world order is emerging. Wether this was worth it for Russia I cannot say.
You have yet to answer my questions. If you cannot do so, then this discussion cannot continue in good faith.
In august of 2002, less than a year before our invasion of Iraq, the US signed the Hague Invasion act into law. There are no Americans on trial for war crimes at the ICC because we officially threatened to war crime them about it.
Why aren’t you fighting in Ukraine right now?
Lol, lmao even
“They rejected world order” I think you should be killed like someone in the Bible