• Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      31
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      9 months ago

      With the disadvantage of large stakeholders dominating the network and undermining the decentralization.

        • FaceDeer@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          16
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          9 months ago

          It’s actually more true for proof-of-work mining than it is for proof-of-stake. PoW mining has strong economies of scale, a professional miner with a warehouse full of mining rigs and a special deal with an industrial electricity supplier can churn out hashes more cheaply than a home miner can. Whereas the hardware needed for PoS is negligible so there’s nowhere near that disparity between small and large miners.

          Also, under Ethereum at least (the largest proof-of-stake chain and the one I’m most familiar with the workings of), stakers don’t “dominate” the network. They have no decision-making power over what the consensus rules are. If the users decide to upgrade to a new version and the stakers refuse to go along with that or try to push an upgrade that the users don’t want then those stakers lose their stake after the resulting fork.

            • FaceDeer@kbin.social
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              9 months ago

              I went Googling for sources, and what I found says the opposite. Ethereum was becoming increasingly centralized under PoW but after the switch to PoS it became significantly more decentralized.

              in order to stake to a pool, you need to lock your tokens away, making them impossible to spend for a specified time period.

              This is exactly the point of proof-of-stake. You can’t prove you’ve staked some coins if you don’t actually stake them. If you’ve retained control over your tokens then they’re not staked. I’m not sure how you think it could work otherwise.

              most of the criticisms I have of ETH are more damming of the way they went about the transition between two radically different consensus algorithms than about Proof of Stake itself.

              The transition from proof-of-work to proof-of-stake has been on Ethereum’s roadmap since the beginning. It was rolled out in stages over the course of years. What was “damning” about the transition?

              • demesisx@infosec.pub
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                9
                arrow-down
                4
                ·
                9 months ago

                This is exactly the point of proof-of-stake. You can’t prove you’ve staked some coins if you don’t actually stake them. If you’ve retained control over your tokens then they’re not staked. I’m not sure how you think it could work otherwise.

                WOW. Straight up wrong.

                I’m guessing you have a YUGE bag of ETH staked. 🤣

                Since you’re so wrong, it’s clear that you are absolutely guessing here while anon is spitting facts, being intellectually honest about which drawbacks actually exist in the world for proof of stake. Take the L, dude. haha

                • FaceDeer@kbin.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  4
                  arrow-down
                  3
                  ·
                  9 months ago

                  You’re guessing wrong, I’m not a “bagholder.” I’m just interested in the tech.

                  it’s clear that you are absolutely guessing here while anon is spitting facts

                  I’ve provided specific examples and links to references. Anon’s not done any of that, he’s just got mad. Like you, too. Calm down.

                • FaceDeer@kbin.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  9 months ago

                  I googled “zero lock staking” and I’m not finding anything that contradicts what I said. There are systems that allow for delegated staking, where you hold transferable tokens that represent a share in a staking pool - rETH, for example. But there’s still locked stake in that case. And this Quora response lists various proof-of-stake systems where you can unstake immediately, including Cardano and Polkadot, but those don’t give you rewards while your tokens aren’t staked - the token still needs to be locked during the staking itself.

                  I asked for clarification on what you found “damning” about the transition to proof of stake, I don’t see how asking for clarification is “misinformation.”

                  I presented a source for Ethereum’s centralization trends. Got any of your own?

        • Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          9 months ago

          I don’t defend anything - I simply do not consider the existing crypto assets as an alternative to currencies at all. They are still so far from being reliable or stable to be a good means of general exchange. They have their place in the area of investment and speculation and that works fine for me.

          • FaceDeer@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            9 months ago

            How about stabletokens, many of which are pegged directly to the value of the USD?

        • zergtoshi@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          9 months ago

          Prime numbers are searched for doing the PoW. The blockchain essentially contains a data base with prime numbers. As far as I can tell Primecoin never was popular,.but I like the novel approach of doing things, when most cryptocurrencies of that time were lame copies.
          Btw. the Primecoin creator made Peercoin, which was afaik the first (and apparently still running) network being secured by Proof-of-Stake.