You may have heard of the “Countering Violent Extremism” program under DHS.
They’ve deployed the tactics used to fight terrorists against domestic citizens. For example, incels. When I posted on the web forum incels dot is, I didn’t know it was Department of Homeland Security operation against men who say they are romantically deprived. I didn’t know I was interacting with larping feds who encourage extremist rhetoric. Consequently I was put on a watchlist and am subject to intrusive monitoring.
I share a lot of my experience here.
https://twitter.com/WrongedIncel
My question is, is it far that the government is so targeting incels?
It’s not fair for the government to target anyone who hasn’t broken the law.
I think it’s a little fair to monitor groups that border on the edge of committing crimes to make sure they don’t. If someone is going around saying they’re going to kill people, even if they haven’t, I’d keep a fucking eye on them.
Considering how much rhetoric incels and well known terrorist groups share, it doesn’t seem unreasonable why they are included on terrorist watch lists.
Let’s not forget the mass killings perpetrated by and celebrated by incels. They are an extremist group and should be monitored as such.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/13/toronto-van-murders-court-victim-2018-attack
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43892189
https://abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-incel-pleads-guilty-plotting-mass-shooting-women/story?id=91388041
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-man-promoting-incel-ideology-charged-allegedly-threatening-teens-n1189206
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/incel-threat-secret-service-report/
The Ohio case was one were feds encouraged that guy up until the point were he was going to do something. In fact, he posted on incels.is and the feds there trump up that one case as a huge victory justifying their work. But they duped him and were egging him on. The California guy didn’t actually do anything. There has been one verifiable incel related mass shooting – Elliot Rodger, and that has been used to tarnish the whole community from a place of distaste. Feminists get to tarnish an emergent group that gives them the jeebies and feds get work to replace the dwindling War on Terror.
Yeah, the FBI has caught bombers by monitoring them before the bombers were able to break the law.
Secretely surveiled them right up until they dropped the duffel bag on the sidewalk.
My memory isn’t great right now, but I think I recall reading somewhere that they catch over a hundred would-be bombers a year.
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It goes beyond secret surveillance though – creepy enough as that is. If one were unaware of being surveilled that’s one thing but they let you know so they can take credit for “prevention” even if that person wasn’t going to do anything wrong. So essentially put in an open air prison without trial.
Ah… So that’s what you’re saying.
Well I can believe it. The CIA once tried to murder Fidel Castro with, like, shaving cream or something one time. Our agencies can go back and forth from “we are a daunting, all-knowing panopticon” into “hi, we’re the Keystone Cops” a dozen times in a weekend.
If that’s the case, and they’re targeting someone who didn’t even get in that deep, then: ouch. My condolences. I hope you if you really aren’t a threat that they figure out they aren’t needed anymore.
Yes but they defined a certain perspective as irredeemably linked to violence, even if that perspective is sociologically true. It’s straight up repression. I’m not the one who mandated that the sexual revolution devolve into polygynous mating habits rendering many men partnerless.
what does monitoring entail? it’s one thing if the person is unaware of it but they also let the person know. that’s putting them in prison without trial. also that incels = violent is charged up rhetoric meant to invalidate their perspective.
I haven’t said I was going to kill people.
they essentially put people in an open air prison (subject to intrusive monitoring) for merely sharing a perspective deemed objectionable by elites who think that perspective becoming commonplace isn’t in their interest.