Seriously?
That’s kind of the whole fucking point of democracy, you keep voting. Forever. There is no “one last vote.” If you don’t like voting, don’t vote. But don’t complain about the winners and losers then, as you did absolutely fuck all
But… I didn’t get the result I wanted last time. It kind of seems like the whole system is made of corporate crooks. If I threaten to not vote at all until they stop being crooked, surely they’ll be impacted by that, and all of a sudden there’ll be candidates worth voting for. By magic.
Just you wait. You’ll see. Any day now.
Spot on! Well said!
>don’t complain
stop me
The best part about that is I don’t have to. I just get to ask how you helped prevent things from getting worse
That’s not going to stop me.
That’s kind of the whole fucking point of democracy, you keep voting. Forever.
That’s not the positive point you think you’re making…
It may be that voting for flavors of capitalism makes you feel like a loser, but not voting is exactly what everyone you hate wants. That’s one less vote for their opposition!
Yeah! Instead of voting we should do nothing at all and complain online! That’s how all the greats do it
Tbf most of the truly great people tend to end up in a psych ward, prison, or shot by cops while engaging in direct action
Welcome to r/teenagers!
The most important vote of your lifetime… So far.
Unfortunately, evil keeps trying to get power.
Unfortunately, evil keeps trying to get power.
That’s because evil already is in power, and we are merely given the illusion of choice between two of its agents. They designed it that way.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/
Voting at the grassroots level will enact change. School boards and county positions can enact just as much change as state and federal elections. Won’t matter if the president is blue if the entirety of local governments are red.
Did the Russian propaganda mill spin up again?
It never stopped, it just found Lemmy I guess.
My understanding was that it was slowed if not stopped because of lack of funding due to the war…
Damn, you’re probably right. I wish my tax dollars were spent more on aid for Ukraine and less on helping Israel commit war crimes. Then we could find out for sure whether you’re right. Also because that’s just the more moral thing to do, but ethnic cleansing is more of an American pastime than baseball, so that’s probably not changing soon.
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The kids have always been spouting this bullshit. It’s just that sometimes it leaks from the tankie instances. I is usually just block the poster and move on. It makes lemmy ever so slightly tolerable.
I mean, isn’t that the whole point? You should vote every time, and if you vote right things will be more good or at least less bad, and then you do it again. It’s only very few years, and you don’t have anything more important to do.
And the idea that things don’t change is so fucking dumb. Don’t tell me Obama to Trump wasn’t a change. Christ.
What people are really whining about is that they want a quick fix, and they’re not getting it because that’s just not possible even if half the politicians weren’t rotten to the core. But let’s not pretend there won’t be “real change” in America if Trump is elected again.
Fucking abortion rights were taken away because enough people didn’t show up to vote against trump, and now the Supreme Court is a joke. That’s a change.
Just dumb.
Yes, the point is for it to be a distraction mechanism to make people feel like they have a voice and some power without actually giving them any. All we get is the illusion of choice and a different puppet at the top of the pyramid scheme.
As if populist know-nothings like republicans, whipped into a mindless frenzy by parasites like murdoch and the orange mirror-licker don’t pose a clear and present danger.
Global warming? LeT’s BaN sOLaR pAnELs AnD eLeCtRiC cArS and sAvE tHe cOaL iNdUsTrY!Meanwhile, those who sit their lazy asses at home on Election Day, lovingly fondling their purity then sniffing their fingers:
bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTeSo above it all, sophisticated… waiting for a charismatic messiah with a magic wand to change things and political inertia overnight, to come into their living rooms and massage their shoulders.
No sir, that’s not thinking like medieval peasants who fancy themselves to be at the center of the goddamned universe, not at all. Everybody gets a trophy, with no effort but on one ballot they cast in 2008 and 2008 only, for Obama!
Here’s a hint: Democrats are more government nerds, republicans are anti-science fascists. Democrats are imperfect but flexible, republicans are relentlessly greedy, hate-filled, destructive.
It’s difficult to get positive long-term things done if non-voters keep pouting and crossing their arms, letting toxic republicans keep on goose-stepping into all our lives, with enough power to sabotage any and all positive Democrat initiatives, over and over and over again.
Reminds me of that Office Space scene. If every single day has been worse than the day before, then every day is literally the worst day of your life.
Likewise, fascism is getting closer and closer to a reality in the US. Every election for the last 15 years at least has been more important than the last.
So, if anyone out there is influenced by the nihilism of the meme - no, nobody expects everything to get better all at once, or that this election is the one that makes “real change.” But things can get a lot worse, and if you don’t have the imagination to know why that makes voting the most important thing you do this year, then that’s a very sad thing for all of us.
Maybe if we all apathy hard enough, the fascists will just give up and go home! Brilliant!
Look up The Moral Majority and Jerry Falwell.
Falwell’s people took over the GOP with a simple grass roots strategy. If the local GOP club got an average twenty people at their monthly meetings, the MMs would show up with fifty. They made sure they nominated every dog catcher, county clerk, and school board member they could. After a few cycles the party elders began to see that they didn’t run things anymore.
You vote, you keep voting, and you make usre your neighbors are voting, too.
It sounds to me like they did a lot more than just vote. They showed up at party meetings first, and they got their people nominated. And they didn’t wait for a primary to do it.
Voting is the bare minimum.
ITT people interpret weariness of fear-based politics as propaganda, for some reason. i can’t witchall no more, can’t criticize shit, only fearmonger, or you must be working for the other team.
Exactly this.
This is a pretty stupid point. Increasingly consequential national elections are exactly what you would expect in a country that, like ours, has become increasingly polarized since the Reagan revolution of the 1980s. The right keeps getting crazier and crazier, so of course the stakes keep going up.
Edit; it’s also, simultaneously, to be expected that in a politically polarized country, in which each side has roughly equal electoral power, that no radical change will occur.
If you don’t think there have been massive changes even in the past two decades, for better and worse, then you’re beyond reasoning with.
What if I don’t think those changes have very much at all to do with how I individually voted in those intervening years, and would have happened anyway if I just left the ballot blank every time?
Then congratulations, you’re experiencing what it means to be one small part of a very large society regardless of the decision-making mechanisms it uses?
It’s not fun, I’ll tell you that much.
I mean record homelessness has happened so I guess that’s changed.
I came here to argue against this increasingly-transparent “please don’t vote” propaganda being posted here coincidentally in this leftist community, and here’s this unanimous comment section already on the case 😃
Nobody is saying don’t vote, I’ll be voting as I have in every election, including in the 2024 primary and general.
Nothing will fundamentally change
F Biden
I could see a lot of Dem voters just staying home instead
Many Arab-Americans in Michigan (and across the country) are running an “Abandon Biden” message
Nobody is saying don’t vote
(Edit: That’s are all quotes of yours from the last 1 day which I would roughly summarize as “don’t vote.”)
Nobody is saying don’t vote
i’ve had options on my ballot besides democrats or republicans every year
Working to oust the establishment Democrats and push the remainder to the left sounds great. Increasing fairness in the voting system sounds great. Protest outside the voting system sounds great. Lots of things aside from just pulling the lever for the least-bad guy are actually extremely impactful.
None of that changes the fact that voting for a third party in this election is functionally equivalent to sitting at home waiting for it all to get better on its own which is functionally equivalent to handing Trump the keys to the FBI and the nuclear codes and hoping it all goes okay. For that reason I feel just as comfortable criticizing a vote for a third party (in the general election) as I do a non-vote, both in terms of whether it’s a good idea to spread propaganda about it online, and whether it’s a good idea to do it when the time comes.
And you took all of those out of context. Put the full sentences
Edit: Sure. Here are the full text of some quotes from you from today, which to me effectively boil down to “don’t vote”:
Which Democrats are actually Leftist and not just centrist or Republican-lite? Bernie? AOC? We tried and the Dem party/oligarchy shut that down real quick.
Trump and the GOP is the enemy. Biden and the Democrats, to me, are also the enemy to the people because they want the status quo to continue. “Nothing will fundamentally change.” I feel we’re going to get fascism either way. One is accelerated and the other is a slow death march.
F Trump and F Biden. Both don’t care about the people.
I don’t think many will go from voting Dem to Trump but I could see a lot of Dem voters just staying home instead.
Many Arab-Americans in Michigan (and across the country) are running an “Abandon Biden” message over Biden’s handling of the Gaza genocide.
Thanks.
due to how formatting works in fedilab, I was very confused until I figured out these are quotes and they think the quotes somehow support their position.