• Rolder@reddthat.com
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    10 months ago

    Ehh, Hamas would have killed just as many if not far more civilians by now if Israel didn’t have such good defenses with things like the iron dome.

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      10 months ago

      Hamas and the Islamic brotherhood have only fired 12,000 rockets at Israel since 10/7. I’m sure they don’t want to kill indiscriminately, just give the Israelis a fireworks show! /s

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        10 months ago

        If 12,000 rockets fired means they are attacking indiscriminately, what would you say about the many more thousands of bombs that the IDF has dropped over the entire area of Gaza? Why are IDF engineers rigging residential buildings with bombs and destroying them after clearing them out? What is the purpose of their missile strikes on refugee convoys and ambulances?

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          10 months ago

          I mean I’d say that also counts as attacking indiscriminately. The idea behind the term “indiscriminately” means that you don’t care who is on the other side, so it can apply in both of these situations.

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          10 months ago

          I’m actually kind of skeptical of that number. Gaza isn’t big enough to drop 16,000 bombs on.

          Why are IDF engineers

          They want a DMZ between Gaza and Israel. (and let’s see how long before Israeli settlers move in.)

          What is the purpose of their missile strikes on refugee convoys and ambulances?

          Hamas wins when Israelis die. Hamas wins when Palestinians die. Ambulances and hospitals are the best places for Hamas to hide.

          We should all know WHY Israel is doing what they’re doing. Hell, we know why Hamas is doing what they’re doing. That doesn’t make it right.

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            10 months ago

            I haven’t seen a number of bombs dropped by the IDF recently, but it was in the thousands last I heard probably in December. Israel also has much heavier munitions and is capable of high accuracy. Independent analysis show that by November 6th, the IDF had dropped at least 500 2,000 pound bombs, causing impact craters larger than 40 feet, in densely populated residential areas.

            The heavy munitions, mostly manufactured by the US, can cause high casualty events and can have a lethal fragmentation radius – an area of exposure to injury or death around the target – of up to 365 meters (about 1,198 feet), or the equivalent of 58 soccer fields in area.

            Israel dropped hundreds of 2,000-pound bombs on Gaza, analysis shows

            Whether or not militants hide in hospitals or ambulances it is abhorrent to attack medical staff and is generally recognized as a war crime. There have been numerous deaths of independent observers, foreign medical staff. More UN aid workers have been killed by the IDF since October than in any other conflict in their history.

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              10 months ago

              Yeah, I’m not making excuses for anyone. People just have this tendency to exaggerate towards “their” side.

              Taking either side in this thing like it’s a sports team seems kind of obscene to me. We don’t need to be making things up to try to “win” an online argument.

              Regardless of how much damage Israel has done, I don’t think they’ve dropped 16,000 bombs.

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                  10 months ago

                  I’m curious about what constitutes a “strike”, but I’m still impressed you found a reliable source.

                  I looked at the guardian’s source, but they never define a “strike”.

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                    10 months ago

                    I searched “number of Israeli bombs dropped” on duckduckgo and that was one of the first that came up, there are other stats I’ve seen referenced before like bombs dropped or mortar strikes etc. if you follow the original source cited by the Guardian it may be more specific, I haven’t looked at that yet whoops I see you say you looked at that already

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            10 months ago

            Gaza isn’t big enough to drop 16,000 bombs on.

            what

            I’m not sure you understand bombing.