You can block bloatware/partner/advertisement apps from cluttering up your fresh Windows installation by changing just one setting during the installation.
Don’t want any bloatware or subscription services preinstalled on your computer? Consider installing Linux instead of Windows the next time you’re reinstalling your computer.
Guess it depends on the industry. I’m a web developer so it doesn’t matter what OS I use, and frankly it’s far easier to install and configure the tools I need on Linux than it is on Windows. I can leave a Linux system online for weeks at a time, which in some cases is the entire length of a contract.
Windows is good, but it requires just as much training as any other system to become a real power user.
I disagree. If you consider a power user using PowerShell or terminal, then sure. But simple things on windows are more complex on Linux. Like installing a program, if you can do it through snap or apt get then great, still more complex for the average user compared to windows where you just download and click.
No it’s not, if it’s not on the store (outside of Ubuntu does a store even exist?) then it’s more difficult to install. Half the time it’s an appimage you have to download, make it executable and then run. Then if you install it from a website you have to go through the trouble of adding a shortcut into your application menu / desktop and it’s just way more complex than Windows.
The repositories for the big distros are so full that you rarely need to ever install anything that isn’t already there for you. I use a crapload of software, and I have literally one thing that I’ve installed that I downloaded from the internet. All updates are handled by the package manager, so there aren’t dozens of services running to check for updates. Installing software on linux was already so much easier, byt Flatpak and SNAP have made it absurdity simple.
On windows, you literally go to some website download an executable, and run it. Every time I need to do it for work, I’m shocked that it’s such a messy and insecure setup.
For most things, Linux just works. There are specialized apps like cad packages, graphic design and such that are very problematic on Linux but most of it is fine. Just look at how successful Chromebooks are. They’re all Linux.
Sure, and once you’ve clicked through the “finish setting up windows” pop up that inexplicably appears every few reboots, done the mandatory updates it keeps nagging you about and threatening to reboot if you happen to walk away for too long, and cleared out all the ads in your notifications, you can get right to it!
Lemmy has a strong bias towards Linux. I wouldn’t say Linux is a failed desktop OS (but hey look at the marketshare) but the transition to Linux is not easy for majority of less tech savvy users. I know you guys have setup Debian/Ubuntu for your grandma and it has been working great since, you don’t have to repeat that.
As someone who’s been trying to move over to Linux for years and fallback to Windows every time I tried, there’s always issues I need to troubleshoot, the most recent one would be mixed refresh rate monitors ie. running at 60Hz instead of 144Hz until I made specific change to a config file. And as a gamer, it makes it even harder - I am aware Proton is a thing now and ‘most’ games work out of the box, I have Steam Deck for my portable needs. Pay attention to the keyword ‘most’, when it doesn’t work, I ain’t wanna spend my previous time to troubleshoot so that I can play the game.
As for my Windows 11 experience, it hasn’t been that bad. There’s no more active prompts for update and restart your computer now or the world will end. UI also looks better with minimal tweaks. Is privacy concern something I should care more? Absolutely, but at this stage of my life, I value more on the consistency and expected behaviour from my PC.
Linux has hundreds of distributions, plenty of which feature gui alternatives like Linux Mint, everything’s not arch. I’ll remind you console commands are a thing on windows as well.
Final paragraph sums it best:
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Guess it depends on the industry. I’m a web developer so it doesn’t matter what OS I use, and frankly it’s far easier to install and configure the tools I need on Linux than it is on Windows. I can leave a Linux system online for weeks at a time, which in some cases is the entire length of a contract.
Windows is good, but it requires just as much training as any other system to become a real power user.
I disagree. If you consider a power user using PowerShell or terminal, then sure. But simple things on windows are more complex on Linux. Like installing a program, if you can do it through snap or apt get then great, still more complex for the average user compared to windows where you just download and click.
Literally it’s just download and click.
From the Store if it’s there, or from the application website.
No it’s not, if it’s not on the store (outside of Ubuntu does a store even exist?) then it’s more difficult to install. Half the time it’s an appimage you have to download, make it executable and then run. Then if you install it from a website you have to go through the trouble of adding a shortcut into your application menu / desktop and it’s just way more complex than Windows.
The repositories for the big distros are so full that you rarely need to ever install anything that isn’t already there for you. I use a crapload of software, and I have literally one thing that I’ve installed that I downloaded from the internet. All updates are handled by the package manager, so there aren’t dozens of services running to check for updates. Installing software on linux was already so much easier, byt Flatpak and SNAP have made it absurdity simple.
On windows, you literally go to some website download an executable, and run it. Every time I need to do it for work, I’m shocked that it’s such a messy and insecure setup.
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For most things, Linux just works. There are specialized apps like cad packages, graphic design and such that are very problematic on Linux but most of it is fine. Just look at how successful Chromebooks are. They’re all Linux.
That’s funny, that’s the reason I ditched Windows completely. The workflow is just so bad on it.
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Sure, and once you’ve clicked through the “finish setting up windows” pop up that inexplicably appears every few reboots, done the mandatory updates it keeps nagging you about and threatening to reboot if you happen to walk away for too long, and cleared out all the ads in your notifications, you can get right to it!
You know, I’ve never had this happen to me at all, but I am using the Pro version, so maybe that’s why.
Does it prevent Bing, Teams or Edge to ever get installed without your permission ?
Yes, that is the N version.
I run N, I like it.
Most of us actually have software to run, not endlessly tinkering with a failed desktop OS
Lemmy has a strong bias towards Linux. I wouldn’t say Linux is a failed desktop OS (but hey look at the marketshare) but the transition to Linux is not easy for majority of less tech savvy users. I know you guys have setup Debian/Ubuntu for your grandma and it has been working great since, you don’t have to repeat that.
As someone who’s been trying to move over to Linux for years and fallback to Windows every time I tried, there’s always issues I need to troubleshoot, the most recent one would be mixed refresh rate monitors ie. running at 60Hz instead of 144Hz until I made specific change to a config file. And as a gamer, it makes it even harder - I am aware Proton is a thing now and ‘most’ games work out of the box, I have Steam Deck for my portable needs. Pay attention to the keyword ‘most’, when it doesn’t work, I ain’t wanna spend my previous time to troubleshoot so that I can play the game.
As for my Windows 11 experience, it hasn’t been that bad. There’s no more active prompts for update and restart your computer now or the world will end. UI also looks better with minimal tweaks. Is privacy concern something I should care more? Absolutely, but at this stage of my life, I value more on the consistency and expected behaviour from my PC.
Server use case on the other hand, Linux > all.
Windows still has over 60% of desktop market share. You may not like it, but it isn’t a failed OS.
I think he means Linux is the failed OS.
I was with you on the software compatibility point, but then you completely lost me with “failed desktop OS”…
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Well yeah, because we don’t have the marketing billions and monopoly that Microsoft/Apple enjoy. So we gotta do the promoting ourselves.
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Lol, tell me you don’t know anything about Linux without telling me you don’t know anything about Linux.
Linux has hundreds of distributions, plenty of which feature gui alternatives like Linux Mint, everything’s not arch. I’ll remind you console commands are a thing on windows as well.
Steamdeck runs what OS… ?
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