I think it’s pretty obvious? Article is an example (not the first and certainly not the last) of western media making a cracks in their narrative - it is illustration of the the headline.
So you think until this point the western media narrative has been: “Ukraine is the only former USSR member that has no corruption.”? Seems pretty wild to me I don’t know
Yes actually, since the beginning of the war up till very recently they could fart and western media smell roses, and anyone who expressed some doubts or remind them of the previous narration (before 2022 western media were correctly calling Ukraine the most corrupted country in Europe which furthermore have huge nazi problem) were called “shills, propagandists, and putinbots”. And when UA ultimately lose the war, western media will start to bash them again, most likely even harsher than before.
Hell if you go and see comments to this and few similar articles in let’s say reddit worldnews sub, you will still find tons of people calling even the very same journos putin shills for publishing this.
So the argument is that Ukraine never stood a chance in this war and the politicians in the west always knew this but they’ve been pushing the narrative that “Ukraine can still win” because it serves their purposes to send Ukrainians to die in the theory that this will weaken Russia.
The concept is known as a “bleeding sore”, going back to the Napoleonic wars when Britain used the same strategy in Spain against Napoleon. It doesn’t matter that Ukraine can’t win because the wests purpose is served by the conflict itself more than the resolution.
Note how the mask often slips and pro-war advocates talk about how “cost effective” this war is for the west because it’s Ukrainians dying and not Americans. The Polish President said this just yesterday. Ghoulish.
The west only drips in weapons, enough to keep Ukraine in the fight but laughably inadequate to win, or even reach the “first line” of Russian defensive works. The purpose of the west is served by keeping the conflict open because it’s Ukrainians and Russians dying.
I can give you a list of (deservedly or not) respected western geopolitical thinkers who were pointing out the only outcome of this war is a lot of dead Ukrainians going back to 2014. The western leaders knew this all along and they cynically decided to push for conflict and the abandonment of the Minsk II peace protocols because they saw an opportunity to get Russia bogged down in an Afghanistan-style strength-sapping conflict.
The shift in the narrative is that instead of simply beating their chests with slava Ukraine war chants, the absolute failure of the counteroffensive makes it obvious that Ukraine can’t win, and once that is acknowledged then it becomes morally untenable to argue Ukrainians should continue dying to try to force the culturally Russian regions to remain part of Ukraine.
Can i please have the link? I would rather not seek it myself since polish media are worst cesspit when the words “Ukraine” or “Russia” are in search bar.
I can’t find the link I originally read but I found the quote here
”It is very simple,” Polish President Andrzej Duda told me last week. “Right now, Russian imperialism can be stopped cheaply, because American soldiers are not dying.” But if we don’t put a halt to Russian aggression now, “there will be a very high price to be paid.”
How does the post’s headline relate to the article?
I think it’s pretty obvious? Article is an example (not the first and certainly not the last) of western media making a cracks in their narrative - it is illustration of the the headline.
So you think until this point the western media narrative has been: “Ukraine is the only former USSR member that has no corruption.”? Seems pretty wild to me I don’t know
Yes actually, since the beginning of the war up till very recently they could fart and western media smell roses, and anyone who expressed some doubts or remind them of the previous narration (before 2022 western media were correctly calling Ukraine the most corrupted country in Europe which furthermore have huge nazi problem) were called “shills, propagandists, and putinbots”. And when UA ultimately lose the war, western media will start to bash them again, most likely even harsher than before.
Hell if you go and see comments to this and few similar articles in let’s say reddit worldnews sub, you will still find tons of people calling even the very same journos putin shills for publishing this.
So the argument is that Ukraine never stood a chance in this war and the politicians in the west always knew this but they’ve been pushing the narrative that “Ukraine can still win” because it serves their purposes to send Ukrainians to die in the theory that this will weaken Russia.
The concept is known as a “bleeding sore”, going back to the Napoleonic wars when Britain used the same strategy in Spain against Napoleon. It doesn’t matter that Ukraine can’t win because the wests purpose is served by the conflict itself more than the resolution.
Note how the mask often slips and pro-war advocates talk about how “cost effective” this war is for the west because it’s Ukrainians dying and not Americans. The Polish President said this just yesterday. Ghoulish.
The west only drips in weapons, enough to keep Ukraine in the fight but laughably inadequate to win, or even reach the “first line” of Russian defensive works. The purpose of the west is served by keeping the conflict open because it’s Ukrainians and Russians dying.
I can give you a list of (deservedly or not) respected western geopolitical thinkers who were pointing out the only outcome of this war is a lot of dead Ukrainians going back to 2014. The western leaders knew this all along and they cynically decided to push for conflict and the abandonment of the Minsk II peace protocols because they saw an opportunity to get Russia bogged down in an Afghanistan-style strength-sapping conflict.
The shift in the narrative is that instead of simply beating their chests with slava Ukraine war chants, the absolute failure of the counteroffensive makes it obvious that Ukraine can’t win, and once that is acknowledged then it becomes morally untenable to argue Ukrainians should continue dying to try to force the culturally Russian regions to remain part of Ukraine.
Can i please have the link? I would rather not seek it myself since polish media are worst cesspit when the words “Ukraine” or “Russia” are in search bar.
Here’s RT reporting on it: https://www.rt.com/russia/581155-duda-ukraine-lives-cheap/
Here’s The Washington Post “reporting”: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/10/poland-president-duda-ukraine-interview/
It’s worth noting the US is promoting this narrative too: https://cepa.org/article/its-costing-peanuts-for-the-us-to-defeat-russia/
Thanks. Holy fucking shit he really said it, it’s even on the official site of president:
https://www.prezydent.pl/aktualnosci/wypowiedzi-prezydenta-rp/wywiady/prezydent-andrzej-duda-w-washington-post,73099
Że kurwa co 💀
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/polands-president-says-america-and-poland-must-stop-russian-imperialism/
I can’t find the link I originally read but I found the quote here
oh, they mentioned Ukraine’s corruption and Nazi infestation quite a lot prior to the escalation in 2022
I don’t think that’s a rule on this instance