Honestly, MLs tend to do this with a lot of convos, I feel.

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    The CPUSA leadership are corrupt, backwards, and completely out of touch with their reality as an organization and material reality in the United States.

    The only main pushes seem to be for empty electoralism for Democrat politics and never any other substantial effort. The leadership are completely unable to let go of the fact that it’s not the 1960’s-80’s anymore. They are also Pro-Khrushchev and believe in market economics.

    The party line is that they are literally opposed to a revolution. They are a liberal shill party that’s an empty shell of its former self, and the positions are extremely idealist and removed from material reality.

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      Actually, they are not corrupt or backwards. They are more realistic and in touch than most other orgs.

      We do not and never have endorsed Democrats as well.

      We are also anti-Khruschv.

      We are also not opposed to revolution.

      👍

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        There is evidence to back up every single one of these claims? Why lie???

        One of the lines is literally “We have to defeat Trump by voting Hillary”

        https://www.cpusa.org/article/hillarys-hour/

        Leaders in the 50’s/60’s to the modern day continued to parrot Khrushchev “revelations” about Stalin.

        https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/40403665.pdf

        Here they explicitly lay out that the movement will see victory against fascism and will lead the “Revolution”, through electoral means, and that with the ballot box they can strike blows against the right wing.

        https://www.cpusa.org/article/defeating-the-rightwing-on-the-road-to-socialism/

        This is all beyond idealist and completely devoid of theory or Marxist policy.

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          I mean yes both Dems and Republicans are capitalist imperialists who are never reformable and will forever be capitalist imperialists, however while the revolution hasn’t happened yet it is important to vote Dems which takes barely any effort.

          Conservatives straight up are threatening the lives of minority groups and LGBTQ on an entirely different scale than democrats and life for me as a minority living in the US has gotten significantly worse since trump.

          It is idealistic to just not vote or vote for some 3rd party that never wins while real shit has been ramping up for people like me from the republican side (and yes I know Dems do it too and are also bigoted racists but again Republicans do it on a whole nother scale).

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            If the left guarantees dems our votes then they will only move further right to get anti-trump right-wingers’ reluctant votes. They will only be pressured to not be as bad as republicans if we pressure them by not “voting blue no matter who.”

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              That’s purely speculation. I can also speculate that by letting Republicans win, the spineless Dems are just gonna join the winning side and swap over. Plenty have already done so or became libertarians who are just mini republicans. If popular support is on the side of the more extreme right then everyone moves further right. You can literally see this effect in CNN where they have increasingly worse narratives sliding towards the fascist right.

              By the way the same Republicans are portraying the LGBTQ community as associated with groomers and also happen to have the gun nuts on their side. At least democrats don’t actively do that. Republicans have been sliding real fast towards an even more extreme right ever since the trump presidency.

              But sure both are equal and let’s not vote and let Republicans win every seat. Definitely not gona have a worsening affect marginalized communities.

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                This acts like the democrats do anything else. They didn’t codify Roe. They didn’t stop the migrant concentration camps. They haven’t stopped states from persecuting trans people. They didn’t stop the us from invading Afganistan. They didn’t pull out of Iraq. They didn’t stop the US from militarizing Somalia. They didn’t stop the US from finding fascist Ukraine.

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                    That’s not a particularly civil thing to say and only tells me you have no interest in having a productive conversation but only want to be rude and argumentative

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          Actually, none of these endorse a single Democrat.

          I have nothing to lie about. 😜