• brain_in_a_box [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    1 year ago

    Spare me the self-righteousness, if “the people I was rude too were rude back to me” is something you can describe as “the most unsafe space I have ever encountered” without feeling deeply embarrassed, then you have no business trying to pontificate about what actually marginalised people endure. No amount of cope about how you’re totally definitely not big mad, but your girlfriend in Canada is, will change that.

    English isn’t my first language but elaborate how “Russia needs our critical support” isn’t a support of Russia.

    So you didn’t know what it meant, but you used it to insult someone anyway?

    It means support from a place of criticism, in the sense of “I don’t agree with them in general, but align on certain things”.

    Look, I’ll back up a bit and try to be more sincere here. There are three points I would like you to consider. The first is that your own behaviour has not exactly been free of toxicity. The second is that we on hexbear are used to liberals coming in with naked bad faith hostility, so we’ve, unfortunately fallen to the habit of responding in kind. This leads into my third point; the hostility you describe sounds basically like the bog standard normal that I’ve experienced when trying to converse in mainstream liberal spaces; Hexbear is one of the few spaces where I’m not showered with abuse for the crime of having a political alignment outside the overton window of a country I’m not even from.

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      if “the people I was rude too were rude back to me” is something you can describe as “the most unsafe space I have ever encountered” without feeling deeply embarrassed

      I’ve exactly responded to you about that already. I agreed with you on that, I don’t think I can level with you more than I have already and repeating it would make me a broken clock. You can re-read that here: https://programming.dev/comment/1902404

      That however doesn’t mean we can’t move past that, I was hoping you could see that in my response to you there, but the way you’ve responded to me here was again, an attempt at inflaming things. Which confuses me as your current response is actually nice and normal.

      So you didn’t know what it meant, but you used it to insult someone anyway?

      I was being sarcastic. That still means support for them. I would never support the US in the Iraq war even if it was against a dictator because I know the US does not have the best interest of the Iraqi people in mind. Similarly Russia (at least Putin) has said he does not have Ukrainians’ best interest in mind, as he believes their culture shouldn’t exist, it’s a mistake they exist. That was in his war declaration speech. I will take him at his word, because why would he lie about that?

      I’m also not sure why you’d think that is an insult? Also that posters’ follow up comment referred to my Ukrainian friends, families that are now refugees because of a war as “head tattooed swastika’d nazi’s”. Yeah that’s totally normal…

      The first is that your own behaviour has not exactly been free of toxicity

      Oh definitely, I originally was going to write to the response/poster above you that “it might be best if I refrained from interacting as this is the first time I’m having a difficult time to not respond respectfully” (well honestly I’d never respond respectfully to a Nazi, but you all aren’t that, you deserve understanding). But at this point every time were it simmers down someone, comes barging in and throws some negative response my way such as “oh poor you, so sheltered” as if it’s productive in any shape or form. Aside from my OP I’ve responded to individuals in kind, both negatively and positively, it’s hard to respond positively to someone calling me a Roma hater, or telling me I voted for fascists however, so in those instances I will definitely respond negatively.

      I’ve always tried to respond respectfully even if my first post was coloured by my interactions with the community. And you can re-read my responses to see exactly that. Even to the poster I responded to before you came in I said I appreciated the more normal response I got.

      are used to liberals coming in with naked bad faith hostility, so we’ve, unfortunately fallen to the habit of responding in kind

      the hostility you describe sounds basically like the bog standard normal that I’ve experienced when trying to converse in mainstream liberal spaces

      I’m really sorry you went through that, you really shouldn’t have. Though I don’t see why that means you feel free to respond to me in that manner, I’m not a liberal or the person who perpetuated that abuse on to you.

      And without doxxing myself (which at this point I’d never thrust your community, which I think you’d understand) I also cannot prove I actually voted for the marxist party (which one of your community members rightly referred to as fascist ofcourse /s ). I’m merely pointing out that’s extremely dangerous for when you get it wrong. I do believe you can see that.

      Hexbear is one of the few spaces where I’m not showered with abuse for the crime of having a political alignment outside the overton window of a country I’m not even from.

      I’m absolutely happy you get to enjoy that, I really mean that. To me the individual always deserves respect even if the ideology is something I disagree with (and I don’t disagree with hexbear’s ideology, I mostly agree). Exception for Nazi’s for obvious reasons though.