• Tavarin@lemmy.ca
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    11 months ago

    Nope, you’re just a liar. Only after I told you how to properly do a double blind experiment did you say that’s what you did.

    Fuck off liar.

    And go read the paper. The people couldn’t tell a real astrology report from a random computer generated one. If astrology reports were so accurate the people could pick out out from an obviously fake one, but they could not.

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      Exactly why I didn’t bring it up.

      Still haven’t addressed the methodology of the “real” astrologers in that study, and again, still not relevant.

      Read this once again, slowly:

      I did not claim astrology was accurate.

      My claim was that it was not -always- vague.

      A report does not have to be accurate to be specific.

      You are arguing against a claim I did not make instead of the one I did make.

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        11 months ago

        Read the paper.

        And just because you read something as specific does not make it specific. I already sent you information about the Barnum effect, which you repeatedly ignored.

        You know nothing of science, how dare you make any claims that I do not.

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          11 months ago

          There it is again, diverting from my actual position to argue again something else.

          Since obviously you flunked middle school science:

          Precision =/= accuracy. You continue to argue against the accuracy of astrology, which was not a part of my position.

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        Fuck off liar, or answer one of the many actual questions I posed you, or just read the papers I sent you.

        No, you won’t do any of that so just fuck off.

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          11 months ago

          Which questions haven’t I answered?

          About being a professional scientist? I’m not, but that doesn’t matter.

          I’ve answered every other question. And your paper about astrology continues to be irrelevant to my point: the fundamental uncertainty of science.

          I suspect you’re lying, since you claim to be a professional scientist, yet you:

          1. Constantly conflate accuracy with precision

          2. Believe in unfalsifiable truths in the empirical sciences

          3. Think that credentials themselves are evidence

          That’s all middle school stuff.

          Watch the video. It’s a lecture at a global top 20 university that you might recognize, and reiterates all the points I’ve been making:

          That absolute certainty is fundamentally unattainable in the empirical sciences (he even explicitly includes evolution and gravity). That the only absolute certainty possible is in the formal sciences (math, logic, etc) because they are defined not observed.

          Or do you think you know more about this topic than this professor, who teaches this exact topic, at a global top 20 university?

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            I’m not, but that doesn’t matter.

            Took you long enough, and yes, it does matter.

            I’ve answered every other question.

            You have not, because I asked many, many times what science have you done?

            Constantly conflate accuracy with precision

            Wrong, I have already informed you you fell for the Barnum effect.

            Believe in unfalsifiable truths in the empirical sciences

            The existence of gravity is unfalsifiable, the explanation for it is. And when people discuss lack of absolute knowledge, that is what they are talking about, and that is what the video is talking about.

            Think that credentials themselves are evidence

            Nope, that’s you lacking the ability to read once again.

            And when are you going to read those papers I sent you?

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              And when are you going to read those papers I sent you?

              Right after you watch that video, which you clearly didn’t because he discusses gravity and explicitly disagrees with your conclusion.

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                Already did, I agree with many of his points, and disagree with others.

                When are you going to answer my question now?

                or are you going ti finally fuck off, or is your autism making that impossible?

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                  No no, he is the expert, he knows more than you. That was not an opinion piece, that was an 100-level introduction to the fundamental principles of scientific knowledge. He has better credentials, therefore he’s correct, isn’t that what you said? That’s how science works in your imagination.

                  Regardless, I’m gonna go with an expert over some random labcoat mixologist who doesn’t understand the basic precepts of the scientific method.

                  You’re beyond saving, a symptom of the brain rot. I’m sorry for that, I wish you, and those like you, were salvageable. This conversation wasn’t really to save you, but to warn bystanders. I think this is pretty far past the point where anyone else will go, so it serves no further purpose. Consider sitting in on HPS100, it’s never too late to learn. Though I assume your autism makes that impossible.

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                    He said as an example against gravity being non-absolute was an example of imagining a universe with floating islands. But that isn’t a universe without gravity, that universe has gravity holding together the rocks of the, mountain and the planet above it. Sure gravity works differently than expected, but that is the theory of gravity, not the existence of it.

                    A universe with no gravity is one in which all matter just flies away from all other matter endlessly. No stars, no planets, no chemical reactions. And such a universe cannot exist with life in it, so you cannot logically imagine a universe with us in it that has no gravity. Thus we can know gravity does exist. It’s the how gravity works that is up for debate in question, but it does absolutely exist.

                    You’re too stupid to talk to it seems, because no where does he say gravity itself does not absolutely exist, but says that our ideas of how gravity exists could be wrong.