Hi everyone,

I’m starting my self hosting journey and have run into a snag. I just took a job where I need to get govt security clearance and take polygraphs etc, so I cannot engage in piracy.

What that means in practice is actually abiding the ToS for all my media, so I cannot rip DVDs, I cannot capture streams (I believe including YouTube channels because they’re copyrighted and YT ToS but please correct me if I’m wrong because that would be amazing).

What I’ve done so far:

There is legal precedent to rip CDs and digitize books for personal consumption, and I have also begun buying albums I want from Amazon Music (they let you download the mp3 files directly instead of a Spotify/YT Music system).

  • I am going to be hosting immich for my Google Photos replacement

  • I don’t know the best service for a YT Music/Spotify replacement, but maybe Jellyfin of nothing else.

  • I want to have a digital movie library.

So there’s the rub. How can I have a digital movie library without ripping DVDs? It is an unauthorized reproduction and although nobody is prosecuted, it is illegal and I’d have to disclose that.

Any advice is welcome, and I’d love to hear conversation about this.

  • h3xdump@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    Unless you’re doing a full scope nobody will care. Even then it’s highly doubtful.

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      1 year ago

      Even a full scope, they don’t give a shit about ripping DVDs or torrenting. They want to know if you’re a druggie, gay, or terrorist/spy…

    • New_Yogurtcloset1035@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Even a full scope, they don’t give a shit about ripping DVDs or torrenting. They want to know if you’re a druggie, gay, or terrorist/spy…

  • rah@feddit.uk
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    1 year ago

    I cannot rip DVDs

    In the US, this is legal:

    “This means that you can legally rip a DVD for personal use, as long as you don’t violate any of the other copyright laws. What does this mean in practice? You can rip a DVD for your own personal use, but you can’t distribute the ripped file to others. You also can’t make a copy of the ripped file for someone else.”

    https://www.videoconverterfactory.com/tips/is-it-legal-to-rip-dvd.html

  • Thutex@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    pro tip: if you do not read the ToS, you also can’t lie about if you are breaking them or not

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    1 year ago

    > so I cannot rip DVDs, I cannot capture streams

    Would any government job with a serious enough mission to require polygraphs and security clearances actually care about this kind of kindergarten illegality.

    Seems like the digital equivalent of jaywalking or rolling a stop sign. Are they also going to check up and make sure you have never burned a CD in your life, or shared a Netflix password?

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      1 year ago

      I say fess up and let them decide if they want to delve into the details of your understanding of fair use vs spending expensive polygraph time asking you about important stuff like personal debt or or foreign contacts.

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    1 year ago

    Polygraph don’t measure truth. They measure your nerves. If you are nervous about obfuscating your piracy it would show up on the graph

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      Depends on the jurisdiction

      There might be laws against “cracking” the copy-protection (CSS for DVD, hdcp for BR) although there might be precedent that it’s okay for home use

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        Keep in mind that CSS is so bad that it has been sacked as a “security mechanism” (as the computational power required to crack the key is just a bit above the counting skills of an elementary school student), but I guess we’re more talking about BD’s.

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      It’s fair use to copy the files but it’s illegal separately to break the DRM, meaning you can’t digitize a DVD without breaking the law

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        1 year ago

        Couldn’t you record the DVD? I know Blurays have HDCP, but I’m unsure if DVDs have a similar protection during playback, since screen recording shouldn’t break the Copyright if there is none.

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    you can manually find which movies are out of their copyright period and are free to download, but you’ll only be watching 50s/early 2000s romcoms if you do that

  • Ok_Expert_5751@alien.topB
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    For 20 + years in my misspent youth, I had a TS-SCI clearance.

    I would suggest avoiding the grey area early on in your career. The investigators are going to be much more interested in discussions about circumventing laws rather than minor crimes such as copyright violations especially if you stumble and hesitate while talking about it.

    Once you get the clearance, you are going to be completely amazed at the commonly known, but let’s pretend it didn’t happen, stuff that people with clearances actually do.

    The government has often spent 100,000’s if not millions of dollars, training people with high-level clearance. They are not going to throw all that away for a ripped DVD. Plus, people with clearance often know where the skeletons are for other people with clearances.

    Nine out of ten times, if someone finds out you did a fireable offense they are not going to do anything about it. They are going to tuck that information in their pocket and use it as leverage to make sure that next time some shit rolls downhill, you will do your best to make sure none of it sticks to them.

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    1 year ago

    Do you believe ripping a DVD for personal use is PIRACY? If you do not believe it you will be fine on the polygraph

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    FYI, polygraph tests don’t work. they’re a pseudoscience.

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      Regardless, they are used to make adjudications. You can be the one to sink millions of dollars suing the feds after the Denny you a job.

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        yeah, they’re used, but you are no more likely to fail or succeed whether you’re lying or not.

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      To be pedantic, polygraphs do take legitimate measurements. It’s the claim of their use as a lie detector that is false.

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      Yes. There is an ex fbi agent that does talks about this. Clench your butt hole is how you fool it apparently. Thats not a joke. Apparently takes some practice. It massively ridiculous they are used.

  • New_Yogurtcloset1035@alien.topB
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    Even a full scope, they don’t give a shit about ripping DVDs or torrenting. They want to know if you’re a druggie, gay, or terrorist/spy…