• Tau@lemm.ee
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    9 months ago

    “Benefits” is a grotesque use of the word. Whoever came up with the idea of calling social security “Benefits” is an evil genius.

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      9 months ago

      there’s nothing inherently wrong with the word “benefits” anyway. It’s a positive word. people have come to villianize the word, associating it with those who mooch off the government. But no. benefits are not a bad thing, and people who receive them are not bad people. I agree with the John krasinski meme up there. Rich people are the enemy. poor people are the victims and deserve all the “benefits” they can possibly get.

      edit: changed the word “demonize” to “villainize” which was on the tip of my tongue but it took me two days for the right word to come to me. I’m quite pleased with my brain for finally getting it. That’s why I’m including this loquacious edit.

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      9 months ago

      Implies benefits for doing or being able to do no work. Insensitive and inflamatory.

      ‘Welfare’ and ‘income assistance’ are terms more commonly used in Australia.

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    9 months ago

    And the irony is that “I pulled myself up by my bootstraps” literally used to be an idiom about blatantly lying that you did something impossible before the boomers appropriated it.

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    9 months ago

    fuck yeah. This is the dumbest shit. Allowing entrenched media structures, virtually always owned by corporate interests, to shape who the boogeyman is. Tip: it’s never the corporate interests who control the entrenched media structures.

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    9 months ago

    At this point, the people smart enough to understand this- already get it. Those that refuse to accept it- are lost causes.

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      9 months ago

      I don’t think so. I know otherwise intelligent people who think 40% of beneficiaries are “scroungers” who are “cheating the system” somehow.

      The more we can circulate this message the better: there is still plenty of people who could be brought around.

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        9 months ago

        Here, nor there. The point remains. There’s no getting through to them. They’re beyond help.

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          9 months ago

          Have you reread his comment now? Do you understand it yet?

          (By the by, you truncated the expression in your first sentence: “it’s neither here nor there”. Wasn’t sure if you did that on purpose for brevity.)

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            9 months ago

            My point was that them voting is irrelevant. They can be reasoned with.

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              9 months ago

              You specifically said “they are lost causes”.

              NOW YOU’RE ARGUING WITH YOURSELF?!?

              Are you calling yourself a liar, saying they can now “be reasoned with”?? 😂🤣😂

              What the hell is wrong with you? You are so keen to fight, you want to argue with yourself now?!

              This is absolutely amazing.

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    9 months ago

    I mean, certain people in my life who were on benefits have negatively impacted me…

    Though, the benefits had nothing to do with it. They were just shitty coworkers, and for the majority of them, just shitty people in general.

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    9 months ago

    Can grab those bootstraps if you can’t afford boots 🤷‍♂️

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      9 months ago

      Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is physically impossible, so having boots or not doesn’t change the circumstances.

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        9 months ago

        It’s a figure of speech. And I was saying that you can’t get ahead in life without a living wage. Kinda surprised you didn’t understand that. Hmmm.

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    9 months ago

    Sadly, not entirely true. When too many people have to depend on welfare money because rich people demand too much rent and pay too low wages, then everyone will get less.

    But it’s still rich people’s fault so it’s the same picture.

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    9 months ago

    I support welfare for people who are willing to help themselves.

    I’d be fine with giving free housing to people who work at least 32 hours per week, hit the gym and take care of themselves.

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    9 months ago

    This is a hilarious take considering the Bedlam unfolding in Dublin tonight.

    Scumbags living their entire lives on some of the most generous benefits in Europe decide to burn the city because… ? Racism?

    Nothing to do with Billionaires.

    Just generational scumbags trying to 1up their parents.

    Get a grip.

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    9 months ago

    If you think they dont negatively affect you then you probably havent lived around them. You have neighbors getting drunk every night staying up late because they have no job and then when you go to work they rob your house. They’re overly aggressive and they treat the house/area like shit by smashing bottles and littering. Obviously not everyone on the benefit does this since I’m on the benefit and I don’t do this.

    If there were no billionaires it wouldn’t change my life. Corporations would still dominate the world as hard as they do.

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      If they have to rob your house to be able to live, then their benefits probably don’t sustain them.

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      I truly hope no one in your household ever becomes severely disabled and unable to work. Without those benefits, many more disabled people would be homeless and starving (too many already are). It’s already prohibitively expensive to be sick in the US, and people who have worked hard routinely lose their health benefits when they can no longer work, forcing them to ration healthcare and make hard choices between medicine and housing/food.

      Even if you personally are able to work and keep your insurance, having a disabled child can utterly destroy your financial security and future.

      You’re judging all benefits recipients based on the behaviour of a small minority, when without those benefits, many disabled and elderly people would starve and die.

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        9 months ago

        Where did I say the benefit should be removed? Where did I say this applies to all people on the benefit? All I disagreed with was that people on the benefit negatively affect my life because they do. I almost never see this behavior from people who work.

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          The tenor of your whole comment gives that impression, to be honest.

          And the tenor of my whole comment is defensive because I feel like the meagre chicken scratch subsistence that allows me to barely make rent, sometimes buy food or medicine, and make sure my heat and electricity stay on for winter puts me on the defensive when people make comments such as yours. Especially since I recently learned that I can no longer afford teeth, even though a side effect of my primary diagnosis makes my teeth rot, crack, and break painfully no matter how well I take care of them. Every single tooth is very painful and I can’t afford to fix them.

          So perhaps we’re both a bit on edge about this topic.

          I’m on ‘the benefit’ because Im too disabled to work at all, so I’m in the group you’re talking about. I don’t know what you see, but it’s something very, very different from what I see.

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      9 months ago

      Redditors on reddit be like: “redditors are SO terrible!!!” What mechanism do you think the billionaires used to take the value of all the actual labor you absolute genius