I would like to address the doomers.

Just stop. All you are accomplished is dissuading people from trying. Even if we fail, some of us would rather go out feeling good about ourselves knowing that we actually tried. If we succeed, I want to be on the right side of history. If you want to drive a canyonero through a drive through to buy a double cheeseburger on your way to the airport to fly somewhere for a shopping trip: please keep it to yourself.

  • There is still hope
  • Most people want action. I can cite more than one source.
  • Things are starting to turn around. Not as fast as we need to, but we are seeing change
  • Some of us are parents and have a reason to fight with all we have
  • If things get bad, our kids will actually want to have a relationship with us if we cared enough to try
  • Many things that help are economically better on the micro and macro scales

Doomers are the fossil fuel industry’s best friend-- even more than the deniers are. If enough people succumb to it, they don’t even have to pay lip service to the problem. Doomerism means you can continue to pollute and not even try.

      • Mojojojo1993@lemmy.worldEnglish
        71·
        8 months ago

        Fair enough. I think doom as in. End of times. Time fo nut up or shit up. When you are backed up against the wall you need to fight. Not give up.

        But perspective and all that

      • OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social
        73·
        8 months ago

        Spreading awareness of how fucked everything is, is not giving up.

        People need to know that the world is fucking ending so that they stop having kids and buying cars and doing stupid shit. People should be enjoying the last of the abundance and lowering their expectations about the future.

          • OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social
            11·
            8 months ago

            Nah i draw the line at forced.

            Humans suck tho, you’re right about that.

            Octavia Bulter wrote in I think it was Lillith’s Brood, that (I’m paraphrasing) ‘humans are greedy, easily corruptable and prone to violent authoritarianism- and always have been’ and it’s stuck with me for years now.

    • LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world
      55·
      8 months ago

      Meh I just hate you folks and associate whatever I hear with bullshit doomerism rather than wanting to listen. I don’t think you are as helpful as you think.

      • Mojojojo1993@lemmy.worldEnglish
        25·
        8 months ago

        Kool. Hate you too. Get rekt playa

        Don’t really care. Be all dead soon enough. Then doesn’t matter. Doesn’t matter now either. Your opinion is nothing same as mine

        Woop Woop

  • Dogyote@slrpnk.net
    63·
    8 months ago

    Here here. I’m not a doomer and frankly can’t stand that mindset. As far as we’re concerned there will always be people on this planet and we should do whatever we can to give them an existence that allows for more than just survival. I have some hot takes on doomers:

    1. Being a doomer is a very privileged position to have. A doomer appears to absolve themself of having a stake in the future, and therefore they don’t really need to take action. If they did, their actions would only serve to discomfort them today and wouldn’t have an impact on those living in the future, so why should they bother? They usually hide this position behind “I’m just being realistic” or “I’m just working with the data I have.” Frankly they’re the worst, as they’ll argue with people to justify their shitty attitude and pull people down in the process.

    2. being a doomer is some sort of type-A or perfectionist personality issue. Since the future won’t be perfect, they can’t participate in mitigation since things won’t turn out “perfect”.

    3. being a doomer is related to an anxiety problem. When I’m anxious about something, I can’t see past the theoretical event I’m anxious about. Therefore I can’t think about possible outcomes or solutions and can only fixate on the terrible event.

    4. They’re just young and haven’t seriously invested in the future yet. However they don’t see why they should when there’s a bunch of doomers saying the end is certain.

    5. They’re old and regret the life they lived and choices they’ve made, thus they take comfort in the idea that there won’t be a worthwhile future. Therefore their regretful decisions were in fact the best decisions they could have made. Imagine how comforting a future societal collapse would be to a boomer who regrets not having a family. They’d probably be relieved.

    Again, these are hot takes from some person on the internet. However if one hits a nerve you may want to exercise some introspection and maybe try helping out instead of discouraging people from trying.

    • neanderthal@lemmy.worldOP
      22·
      8 months ago

      I agree 100 percent.

      Again, these are hot takes from some person on the internet.

      1. Being a doomer is a very privileged position to have. A doomer appears to absolve themself of having a stake in the future, and therefore they don’t really need to take action. If they did, their actions would only serve to discomfort them today and wouldn’t have an impact on those living in the future, so why should they bother?

      Posting on social media has consequences. It does influence people. Case in point, the George Floyd death and aftermath. Another case: COVID misinformation getting people killed.

      The last thing we need is people spreading permission to give up and do nothing (not even vote) or take the misanthropic route and try to make it as bad as possible.

  • Dogyote@slrpnk.net
    35·
    8 months ago

    Today’s doomers are going to look pretty stupid in 40 years once it’s clear the ship is turning in the right direction. I wonder how bitter they’ll be.