Browsers are bloat.
-- average Arch userAs an arch user, I’m confused… Doesn’t everyone use curl as their browser?
I recently switched to netcat, this lets me control the TCP stream more directly.
also cuter
Not related to Arch, but behold Richard Stallmann describing how he uses the internet: https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html (see section “How I use the internet” and the other section below that with the same title).
In fact, what I use is Maté (an English way of writing the Spanish word Mate).
As a Spanish speaker I’d just like to say
A: wtf is this even supposed to mean?
B: mate and maté are two entirely different words.
C: The mate desktop environment is named after hierba mate, no é.I generally do not connect to web sites from my own machine, aside from a few sites I have some special relationship with. I usually fetch web pages from other sites by sending mail to a program (see https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/womb/hacks.git) that fetches them, much like wget, and then mails them back to me. Then I look at them using a web browser, unless it is easy to see the text in the HTML page directly. I usually try lynx first, then a graphical browser if the page needs it.
Fuck. What the hell.
I occasionally also browse unrelated sites using IceCat via Tor. Except for rare cases, I do not identify myself to them. I think that plus Tor plus LibreJS is enough to prevent my browsing from being associated with me. IceCat blocks tracking tags and most fingerprinting methods.
Ironically I think this makes his the most unique fingerprint in the whole internet.
Unironically Lynx and Elinks.
Let me introduce you to Browsh
Imagine not enjoying the internet via curl
Imaging not enjoying the internet via raw sockets having fun decrypting manually.
printf ‘GET / HTTP/1.0\r\n’ | openssl s_client -connect example.com:443 -ign_eof | html2text
why do windows users install chrome?
i don’t get it, edge comes preinstalled on windows and it’s chromium-based.
If you’re gonna go though the trouble of installing a browser, why switch Microsoft for Google? They’re both evil and Edge actually performs significantly better than Chrome somehow (they’re basically the same I don’t get it).
Install freaking Firefox.
I agree yeah, I’d say in a lot of ways that Edge is much better than Chrome, due to its performance and also very good security, plus some tracking protection (though not a lot) vs. Chrome’s none, etc. Between the 2, I’d probably always pick Edge.
But yeah just never use either tbh, Firefox ftw.
If you’re gonna go though the trouble of installing a browser, why switch Microsoft for Google?
Exactly I don’t get it, the only explanation I can think of is that they have Chrome on their phone and want to sync it or something?
It’s just momentum. Chrome was THE advised browser for a long time and people are just used to it.
Conversely, if they’re both evil, why use Microsoft over Google?
People have their browser set up the way they want it, and downloading and installing Chrome to have everything sync back and work exactly the way they want things to work takes all of two minutes.
Why use Edge and spend time and effort to import bookmarks, import passwords, change settings, install extensions etc. only to have the exact same end result that downloading Chrome would have given them in the first place, but with the added annoyance of Microsoft leveraging Edge to nudge them into the Microsoft ecosystem?
Point being that installing Chrome isn’t the “trouble” you’re making it out to be, when switching to Edge comes with zero advantage.
But you weren’t asking an open ended question anyway, right?
Conversely, if they’re both evil, why use Microsoft over Google?
You shouldn’t, you should use Firefox.
Force of habit? Plus, if I used Windows, I wouldn’t use Edge out of spite. Fuck their shady ways of pushing users to use it.
it’s not even shady anymore. it’s just clingy and pathetic like an ex who can’t move on.
I used to get it why people install chrome. It had a specific look and feel. It’s no more, all browsers (except some startups making up the rules) look the same. Its a full page window with tabs on the top. Vanilla FF looks the same.
I think lots of people also don’t know how easy it is to migrate all user data between browsers. Also, the added work of changing your phone app is probably too much for the average, comfortable consumer.
Honestly i dont think most people do. We’re all in a bubble of atleast somewhat technically minded people, not just on lemmy but im sure most of our friends irl are similar. Ive been in a few officey type areas and out of the vast majority of monitors ive seen, theyve been using edge, sometimes i even see multiple browsers open lmao. Just checked statcounter and edge is the third most used which is fucking nuts when you consider how many options there are.
The same reason people are reluctant to leave the Apple ecosystem, you’d have to set everything up again.
Because most people these days still don’t know Edge is chromium based instead of Garbage based
OS ships with a browser.
Boo!
OS ships with a browser.
Yay!
It’s not “shipping with a browser” that was ever the problem.
The latter can be deleted and replaced with no issue
your OS ships with a browser.
Boo!
my OS ships with a browser.
Yay!
Not anymore. Just open PowerShell
winget install whateveryouwant
Set-ExecutionPolicy RemoteSigned -Scope CurrentUser # Optional: Needed to run a remote script the first time irm get.scoop.sh | iexMicrosoft doesn’t need to even be involved
At least in win11.
Not sure about win10, which didn’t have it installed by default orginally, but could be now? None of my win 10 machines are recent enough fresh installs to confirm, and have winget (and choco) installed because I installed it so I can install stuff easily.
On Windows 10 it was automatically installed as an update using - wait for it - the Microsoft Store.
Yes, the system-wide package manager was distributed as a package in the desktop store. 🤌
No idea about 10 either
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I’m amaze by how many people still use chrome based browser. They really want to get their face eat by a leopard. Well we told you people, there’s no reason left not to use firefox.
not even that
winget install Mozilla.Firefox
Use scoop
You install something that at the core is the same as you but with a better interface.
It’s funny how Microsoft just gave up on creating a new web browser and instead just rebranded someone else’s homework.
It’s what they do best, but it usually involves buying a company.
"It’s already installed… as a Snap package."
winget install Google.Chrome
Windows has a package manager like a big boy OS these days
Not on arch it isn’t.
Not on linux from scratch
Not on TempleOS. /s
Someone should make a distro that is just all the annoying stuff in windows.
This meme makes no sense. Why would Windows want that?
Surprisingly I dont get weird popups when installing Firefox
It doesn’t have to make sense as long as it bashes Windows.
Yeah but sometimes it’s the ESR version which is super slow to get feature updates. Though I suppose that’s fair for distros intended for server or other enterprise applications.
But edge is chrome.
As a former edge user. I now use Firefox.
Just install scoop and install packages in the terminal if you’re bothering with Windows
