Replace:
X - Earth is round Y - Earth is flat
and read again. Some Y people probably started existing this way, because other Y people didn’t reject them even though Y makes no sense and wasn’t proven.
… but idk i could be wrong
Most conspiracy theories really have little to do with the belief itself, the people that get sucked in are often just lonely and looking for a purpose.
I also believe that a lot of conspiracy theories were started as jokes, with a core group of reasonably smart people LARPing a ridiculous position. What I wonder about is how many of those people LARPed so long and hard that they came to believe their own BS.
People being assholes about it is definitely part of why I oppose X
It’s not easy, but I think people should have a value system that’s independent from how others behave.
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Why let assholes influence your world view at all?
I’m pretty sure he’s making a joke about the social media platform formerly known as Twitter.
I was hoping to say both at once tbh
Are you also so incredibly smart?
X, the former Twitter, or another company called X?
X, the porn website
I’m feeling more charitable towards landlords lately, largely because of this site. I might even tip mine next rent payment.
That’s pretty cringe of you.
My loathing of X grows
So being a dick and acting holier than thou causes people to abandon my cause… Hmm… Maybe I should call those people stupid, that’ll positively impact the world, surely.
Surely this will get people to think and vote the way I want them to. In the mean time let’s work ourselves into a fervor by publicly talking about how everyone who doesn’t agree with us are bigots.
If your stance is “dont be racist,” bigots are gonna be the ones not agreeing with you typically
So it’s not really about X; it’s about how X made you feel.
I still remember some redditor arguing over why they believe BLM is bullshit because that one time someone was mean to them on the internet.
To repeat: Disproportionate police targeting by black people is BULLSHIT because they wrote a comment online that someone took offense to.
Have seen this in vegan groups multiple times. “Used to be vegan, but no longer am because some vegans are mean”.
I actually had this experience recently. I grew up eating meat but have been considering giving it up and eventually becoming vegan. Thing is, no one around me is vegan so I’d need some kind of support network. It’s hard to walk away from ham if that’s what you know and love. I posted a pretty innocuous question to one of the vegan communities and the general response was that it was a stupid question, I should already know the answer, and I shouldn’t waste time posting questions like that. All that told me that if I were to go down this road, I’d be walking alone. So making the switch feels a lot harder and seems a lot more daunting. Not saying I’m giving up on it, but I definitely find it more intimidating knowing that if I try to find a network, I’ll be scolded for being a newb.
I only became vegan once I moved to a city where that was more socially accepted. 8 years later, my family is still warming up to the idea. Having vegan friends definitely helps in the transition.
In the meantime, make better choices whenever you can.
Yup, trying. The siren call of milk and cheese is strong, but my red meat consumption is definitely down. Most pork is gone from my diet. Even bacon is a rarity. I recently discovered that I don’t hate oat milk. So I’m making progress, but still have a lot more to do.
After years not touching dairy, milk and butter taste absolutely putrid to me. Oat milk is the best taste-value wise, but soy is still king nutricionally.
I’d drink horchata all day if I could, but that probably wouldn’t be too healthy.
You would think that they would be overly helpful when all they do is say it’s the moral way to eat. Looking down on everyone who eats meat and then give you shit for trying to be on their side…weird.
A lot of them do it for the dopamine of feeling better about it. Not out of a rational decision to be better. Most people live and die by what gives them their feel good chemicals
Exactly! It felt like going to a church that immediately condemns its parishioners and then wonders why it has no parishioners.
I’ve personally spent a decent amount of time in vegan and vegan debate subreddits, so I could probably offer a bit of insight. My general approach goal was to be helpful and non-judgemental as possible, but to also be assertive. There are a few caveats in no particular order:
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If a post hits r/all, you get a lot of mean and rude people, as well as trolls. Suffering them gets draining. It’s basically the cashier “it’s not ringing up so it’s free?” joke equivalent, but worse since it’s not even in good faith. There’s only so many times you can read “loll bacon” without getting a little depressed about humanity.
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For those that aren’t trolling, many are highly misinformed. It can be challenging to manage their experience and present information in a way that doesn’t bruise their ego a little. I’ve slowly learned to get better at this, but it’s a process.
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Both people who were helpful and those who were rude helped me transition to veganism. The “rude” vegans often raised cognitive dissonance the most and really forced me to think things through myself. I’m sure there are plenty of people who might not respond in this way, but it did help me, and a lot of other vegans have said the same.
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Being vegan can be kinda depressing. When the large majority of society performs actions that you believe to be immoral, and you still have to integrate, it starts to tear at you a little. Sometimes it’s just too much to put up with, and a mean little joke at someone else’s expense slips out. That’s why we had places specifically for that sort of venting. But then people (usually with an agenda) would point to those places, and use them as examples, and you get the MEAN VEGAN stereotype.
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It’s just human psychology. A lot of them do it as much because it makes them feel superior to others as for moral reasons. People failing at it makes them that much more special for succeeding.
I looked at your post briefly, and it seemed like asides from one or two down voted responses, you got a majority of fairly informative answers, no?
I know when I’ve had a conversation that I’ve felt was overly negative, sometimes I’ll go and review it again after a time so I can be a bit more objective and consider if negativity bias wasn’t playing a part in my initial assessment.
If you’ve got any more questions, I hope you’ll still ask. I think the majority of us would be happy to answer!
Yeah that’s the thing. Difficult changes are difficult. Sometimes that’s not an excuse for pushing labor on strangers. Walking away from bigotry is hard but vulnerable people shouldn’t have to constantly justify their existence. But a lot of the time you need to answer the stupid questions you may not have asked. I went pescatarian quickly, and it was less hard than expected, but it took several people I know doing it before I felt comfortable.
Newbs are how you get people in your group. Nobody wants to join groups that were mean to them even if they want to do the thing the group does.
Vegan subreddits are so aggressively hostile.
But then being mean to vegans seem to be normal in so many places.
It’s a strange circle.
Sounds like selection bias. The only experiences you memorize are the bad ones. The vast majority of people is vegan subreddits are not hostile. Well, maybe vegancirclejerk
It’s weird because vegans are pretty chill IRL
I am not incredibly smart, but I am smart enough to be aware of my own shortcomings. And those confirm this. I do often find myself supporting irrational positions because I don’t want things to go the way that lots of awful people want it to. My desire for their cause to fail is stronger than my rational ability to analyze what would actually be best. That’s how the human mind works.
People are complex. We are not binary.
It’s why we should always call out whataboutism.
Hating mustard doesn’t mean you support ketchup.
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There’s actually some useful information here if you ignore the hyperbole.
If you act like a jerk and are mean to people, you will drive people away from your causes, even if you are taking a position that is strongly defensible from a moral and ethical view. If you take the view that “I don’t have to do the emotional labor to educate you, OMG read some theory, you’re fucking stupid if you can’t understand this, you don’t deserve to live if you think Y,” etc. you aren’t going to win people over. And yes, if you are always acting like an asshole, you’re probably going to drive people away that believe similarly to you, because they won’t want to be associated with assholes. That’s human nature, and something that you need to learn to contend with if you want to win adherents to any political or social position.
In other words: leftists and feminists, fucking get over yourselves.. You may not want to put in the emotional labor because it’s exhausting, but you know who will? Fascists, nationalists, misogynists, and religious fundamentalists. If you just want to make fun of and vent at people on the right, you’re only creating a more insular group that more and more people are going to end up hating. See also: hexbear,
