• lobut@lemmy.ca
      3·
      4 months ago

      The most secure computer is the one not running any software. That’s why I recommend Crowdstrike.

    • marcos@lemmy.world
      3·
      4 months ago

      Remember guys, it took about a decade for Solar Winds to discover somebody had root access to everybody that used their software, another decade for somebody outside Solar Winds to discover it and tell everybody, and half a decade with nobody claiming to have solved the issue up to now.

      So when you believe that your computer with an EDS is safe just because you can’t use it, think again.

    • cordlesslamp@lemmy.today
      0·
      4 months ago

      Reminds me of a local cyber security firm, which declares war on a group of hackers. The CEO went on television to “double dog dare” the hackers to hack their servers and claim their firewalls are impenetrable.

      Well you can guess the results, within 48 hours, their servers went down one after another. And when shit about to hit the fan, they literally turned off all of their servers for days. They hired a 3rd party IT firm to patch their security, then the CEO declared victory in a local newspaper.

  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
    4·
    4 months ago

    Also: don’t trust your employees to boot into safe mode.
    Trust a 3rd party to freely install system level files at any time.

    I knew how to fix the computers at work today in the morning, but we couldn’t get through to the help desk to get the bit locker codes for each computer until near the end of the day.

    • cqst@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      1·
      4 months ago

      Also: don’t trust your employees to boot into safe mode. Trust a 3rd party to freely install system level files at any time.

      Exactly. This is exactly the problem, and unless people wisen up the software security problem is only going to get worse. Companies and Governments need to rethink how they approach security entirely. This is a preview of what is to come, its only going to get worse and more damaging from here, and none of the vendors care.

      • uis@lemm.ee
        0·
        4 months ago

        Companies and Governments need to rethink how they approach security entirely. This is a preview of what is to come, its only going to get worse and more damaging from here, and none of the vendors care.

        It is easy one for goverments. Ban security through obscurity. As well proprietary security software.

        Moonbutt’s moonbuck))) Have I seen you somewhere?

        • cqst@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          2·
          4 months ago

          Ban security through obscurity. As well proprietary security software.

          The government likes proprietary software. They are never going to ban it.

  • Justin@lemmy.jlh.nameEnglish
    3·
    4 months ago

    The fact that random companies like Crowdstrike have kernel drivers in millions of computers they they ship remotely is a security risk in and of itself. We’re lucky crowdstrike just shipped a bug that crashes computers, other companies could have shipped a lot worse.

    • Robin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      4 months ago

      For a company this big it would also have to have gotten past a code review and QA team, right? … right? …

    • qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website
      0·
      4 months ago

      Yeah, something this big is absolutely not one engineer’s fault. Even if that engineer maliciously pushed an update, it’s not their fault — it was a complete failure of the organization, and one person having the ability to wreck havoc like this is the failure.

      And I actually have some amount of hope that, in this case, it is being recognized as such.

    • jabjoe@feddit.ukEnglish
      2·
      4 months ago

      Few things, in rough order:

      • Smaller = less attack surface. You can strip a Linux OS down to only what is needed.

      • Open source, so it’s can be peered review. There are Unix distros like OpenBSD, that share lot of user space component options, where auditing is a big thing. The whole sunlight and oxygen stops things festering as much. As abosed to things locked in a box in another box down in a cellar.

      • Open source transparency forces corporates to be better. We can see what they are and aren’t doing.

      • Diversity. The is no “Linux”, it’s a ecosystem of Linux distros all built and configured differently, using different components. Think of Linux as just a type of base board in a sea of Unix Lego bits. There are plenty of big deployments on BSD bases that share a lot with some Linux deployments.

      • Unix security is simplier than Windows security, so easer to not mess up.

    • uis@lemm.ee
      2·
      4 months ago

      In general it is. Opensource software has less bugs that proprietary. And even those bugs can be mitigated with hardening.

      • count_dongulus@lemmy.world
        0·
        4 months ago

        That’s…a gross oversimplification. Super popular open source projects tend to have few bugs from the sheer number of contributors available to fix them, but active proprietary software has dedicated teams working fulltime every week to deal woth issues. Proprietary stuff is often way wider in scope than open source, so more surface for bugs to creep in. Scope and team size have a lot more to do with bug density than open vs closed source.

        • mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          I don’t know how much effort thoose proprietary software companies put into the actual software. Why is windows so shit? Why is whatsapp buggy? They try to get money with shit software with no optimisations at all.

          • count_dongulus@lemmy.world
            1·
            3 months ago

            How many open source projects have 50 million lines of code like Windows, or legal agreements related to backwards compatibility and version support guarantees?

            A for-profit company is going to focus on whatever generates revenue, sure. But crappy software will lose customers in a non-monopoly scenario. They’re not exactly incentivized to make broken things nobody wants.

    • Simulation6@sopuli.xyz
      1·
      4 months ago

      Sort of an aside, but I am seeing Microsoft more as a hostile entity that I need to protect myself from.

    • ulterno@lemmy.kde.socialEnglish
      1·
      4 months ago

      If you follow the philosophy that it follows, that is, giving the least possible permission to any application, to make it work, it easily becomes much more secure than Windows.

      On the other hand, if you log into your GUI desktop as root, Bill Gates save you.

    • save_the_humans@leminal.spaceEnglish
      1·
      4 months ago

      In addition to what others have said, there’s the move towards containerized applications on Linux via flatpaks, immutable distributions, and snapshots/rollbacks. There are also distributions like Debian with a delayed package release schedule for added stability and security. Its my understanding that you could have an exceptionally secure, effectively trustless, Linux system beyond what is possible on Mac or Windows.

    • Angry_Autist (he/him)@lemmy.world
      02·
      4 months ago

      It’s not, in fact out of the box Linux is SIGNIFICANTLY more insecure than windows.

      The thing is, hackers and hack tool makers target the largest market segment to gain the most conversions.

      Apple users used to gush about how virus proof they were until they hit decent market share, and then they got plenty of malware.

      Same thing with Linux but the real difference is you need a few decades of linux experience to fix anything in a timely manner.

      • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
        1·
        4 months ago

        Linux is SIGNIFICANTLY more insecure than windows.

        Absolutely not true. I assume you don’t have a source for this? Besides your butt…?

        UPDATE:: They did not have a source.

        • Angry_Autist (he/him)@lemmy.world
          02·
          4 months ago

          Does Linux come out of the box with A/V and firewalls?

          On second thought, you’re dismissive little aside just convinced me to excise you from my internet experience for all eternity.

          Ta…

          • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            1·
            4 months ago

            AV is a bandaid for the horrible way software is handled in Windows. Linux is far from perfect, but package repositories are such a step up when it comes to security.

            • Abnorc@lemm.ee
              01·
              4 months ago

              There is still the need to add repositories and download packages from the web every so often though. I don’t see why AV isn’t more common. It doesn’t stop the more clever and up to date attacks, but some protection from the simple things wouldn’t hurt.

          • KubeRoot@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            0·
            4 months ago

            Does windows come preinstalled and preconfigured with more potentially vulnerable software on open ports?

            I personally don’t value an antivirus that much, since it can only protect you from known threats, and even then, it only matters when you’re already getting compromised - but fair point for Windows, I suspect most distros come without antivirus preinstalled and preconfigured.

            A firewall, on the other hand, only has value if you already have insecure services listening on your system - and I’m pretty sure on Windows those services aren’t gonna be blocked by the default settings. All that said though… Most Linux distros come with a firewall, something like iptables or firewalld, though not sure which ones would have it preconfigured for blocking connections by default.

            So while I would dispute both of those points as not being that notable, I feel like other arguments in favor of Linux still stand, like reduced surface area, simpler kernel code, open and auditable source.

            One big issue with Linux security for consumers (which I have to assume is what you’re talking about, since on the server side a sysadmin will want to configure any antivirus and firewall anyways) could be that different distributions will have different configurations - both for security and for preference-based things like desktop environments. This does unfortunately mean that users could find themselves installing less secure distros without realizing it, choosing them for their looks/usage patterns.

  • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
    0·
    4 months ago

    I’m pretty sure Windows is plenty secure. It isn’t private or usercentric but of on a security perspective it isn’t bad.

    Linux has plenty of security problems just like any OS

    • bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
      1·
      4 months ago

      Defending Windows in a linux memes community.

      That’s a bold move cotton, let’s see how that works out for 'em