If only there were some sort of process we could have engaged in to select a candidate people actually want to vote for.
Oh, SNAP! That’s a brilliant idea! I want to do that. Let’s do that! Why haven’t we ever done that?!?!
–It just seems so democratic
The US doesn’t like democracies
Joe Biden would have won the primary. I don’t really think it would have even been close.
They never had a debate even though there were a couple candidates running. Biden has been mentally troubled for the last 9 months or so. It was party hubris that led to this crisis.
You have to have voters and candidates engaged in that process. Biden by all accounts won the primary by a landslide.
That is a pretty generous use of the word ‘won’.
RFK JR and Marianne Williamson ran against him and it was basically no contest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
That’s specifically why he’s saying “won”… there was no competition.
What if I told you… it was designed this way.
Y’all overlooking that she’s saying it has to be Harris. All the campaign funds and endorsements don’t leave the campaign if Biden steps down and the baton is passed to the VP. Not true if we make this an open primary or even if we all agreed on someone else.
I saw this quote earlier related to this;
“To not choose her is a slap in the face to Black women,” said Melanie Campbell, chairwoman of the Power of the Ballot Action Fund, an advocacy organization focused on Black voter engagement. “You are saying to Black women that what we represent is not good enough — not only to stay with the man we voted for, but the woman that most of us advocated for, to be the vice president. You take her down, then you lose the Black women’s vote.”
That’s just idiotic. This has absolutely nothing to do with her being black or a woman. She’s just not well liked and that can happen regardless of her sex or skin color.
I’ve been screaming this at the top of my lungs to the people on lemmy this entire time. Now AOC is losing her shit warning everyone that if this happens, SCOTUS is going to be up to some dirty tricks and you won’t even be able to get a candidate on the ballots fully.
You guys happy with yourselves now? I hope palestine, your “ideal candidate”, and all the other garbage that doesn’t affect us in the slightest was worth losing the democracy over.
People being subjected to genocide is not garbage, what in the fuck
Palestinians being subjected to Genocide is not a subject that many Americans care about. The middle east has constantly been a hell-hole of people getting unjustly murdered. We’re numb to it now.
And do you think that’s going to get BETTER, or WORSE when Trump wins, because of your excessive whinging?
Bidens not losing because Democrats are infighting, the GOP are literally shooting at each other and just put up a vp that made his initial career off bad mouthing trump and his base, no one gives a shit about party cohesion. Biden is losing because he’s a bad unpopular candidate, he has the worst approval rating since Carter and is the oldest candidate ever to run. Stop blaming the mostly impotent left and start blaming the establishment that got us into this mess in the first place.
Seriously this. Whenever we get close to elections, people who care about any issues at all are blamed for having any criticism at all of the dems while the shortcomings of the party and the huge, avoidable, deeply embarrassing mistakes that powerful people within it make go completely uncommented on.
I think you can make this same point without trivializing peoples suffering. You are talking about human beings. It is not “excessive whinging” for people to be less numb than you are, even if you disagree with them about whether or not that makes Biden a bad candidate. Like those are real people.
I’m a misanthrope, I don’t give two shits about humanity. Half of them would see you dead without batting an eye. Only thing that makes us special is that we were the most violent ape. We’re STILL violent apes.
That is… irrelevant? Misanthropy doesn’t get you out of the basic obligation to be decent to other people, including people who live in faraway places. Your rhetoric here is gross and racist. I commented because I thought you might not realize that. My bad.
You may want to learn what racism is buddy. Because this ain’t it. Nationalism maybe? Sure. But going around calling everything racist because it involves people not of euro-ethnic origin, isn’t how racism works. I don’t think Palestinian people are inferior to anyone in any way - but I get it. You gotta play that victim card. It’s probably won you a lot of arguments at the playground.
So, my comment about misanthropy was more to let you know that you were using an appeal to emotion in your argument. An appeal to emotion isn’t a valid argument for something. Especially when the person you’re arguing with, doesn’t give much of a damn for people’s emotions.
This is basic Trolly Car problem level shit my man. Don’t pull the switch, someone dies that you know. Pull the switch, and 5 people die that you don’t know.
I choose to let the person die that I know, to save the 5 others. What you’re doing, is letting the 5 die because the person you know is close to you. That’s all. Despite my misanthropy, the benefit for humanity lay more with making sure we don’t lose America to a much larger problem.
I’d gladly turn a blind eye to Palestine temporarily to make sure we don’t lose Palestine, Ukraine, Taiwan, and America on the larger stage. And you better bet that I’ll be putting up a stink for the Palestinian people just as soon as Trump is NOT elected.
You lack foresight.
The US’s treatment of Palestine affects the entire world, but it’s not fully Biden’s fault and Trump would help Russia take over Ukraine.
It doesn’t excuse Biden for not doing enough to help Palestine though but I don’t think it’s enough of a reason to not vote Biden either.
Mark Kelly would be an excellent candidate. His twin brother, Scott, doesn’t have the political background for VP, but definitely belongs in the cabinet. Maybe Chief of Staff; maybe Sec Def.
Mark Kelly is the first proposed candidate that doesn’t make me immediately “meh”.
Do the optics of appointing your brother to a cabinet position really make sense though? I think there’s plenty of aversion to the concept of yet another American political dynasty
I want AOC on the ticket.
We need her in the legislature. Presidents fuck off after 4-8 years, we can’t spend one of our progressives so early
