What? Prions suddenly being in dirt instead of a human being doesn’t kill them, there’s a whole thing with Mad Cow and soil from the UK as i recall. Part of why they’re so fucking horrible is that you practically can’t kill Prions.
Obscenely high temperatures are required.
The rich should be turned into fuel pellets instead.
Composting is a specific set of chemical processes that take place in a hot, highly oxygenated environment with the proper mix of nutrients for microbial growth. It is not comparable to ordinary decomposition in soil.
Composting can destroy prions, but it might be different to ensure you’ve destroyed all of them. Read more here: https://www.beefresearch.ca/fact-sheets/can-composting-destroy-bse-prions/
PS: I think it’s not good to joke about killing people, even shitty people.
Who’s joking about it?
This is a war, people die in war. If our enemy doesn’t want to die, let them forfeit their “power” and surrender.
I think you will find that war isn’t a very useful metaphor for this kind of conflict. … you get that it’s metaphorical, right?
Does it really have to be? A class war (as actual war) has to be better than any other sort of war
PS: I think it’s not good to joke about killing people, even shitty people.
Then it’s time to stop joking
To be fair, nobody said you had to kill them.
Just cut off parts as needed for food, or bury them in a deep composting pit.
At that point, they might die, but that’s on them for not pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.
I’m not sure you want any of it for food if there’s a risk of prions
Eh, the risk isn’t exactly high. Totally worth it for some fresh long pig
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Mortician here!
Recomposition (or Natural Organic Reduction) is already legal in several states: California, Washington, Vermont, Oregon and Colorado!
As of right now, I think the compost is only allowed in national and state parks, but they’re doing testing on farms to check if there’s dangers to us consuming the crops and it’s been very successful and safe.
Most diseases and viruses can’t survive the composting heat and the plants are thriving. It uses 87% less energy than cremation and burial and stops embalming fluids from leaking into our ground water. I’m really glad this is an option.
There’s a scam company that claims you can put cremated remains in the ground and grow a tree… yeah, cremated remains turn into concrete when wet and the heat of cremation denatures nearly everything beneficial for plants. We constantly have to tell people not to put cremated remains on plants or the plants will join the family member that passed…
With the disclaimer that I don’t know anything about your field…
IMO, if eating food that was nourished by dead humans was inherently unsafe, I believe we would have had significant issues well before now. I have no doubt that when agriculture was new, cemeteries and areas where people have died and left to decompose, would have been used to grow food and if it created any problems, I think we would have seen issues before now.
Again, I’m not a farmer, mortician, scientist, or any other preceived or direct authority on the subject.
What you’ve said is true. In my forensics class, we learned that police can actually use plants to find dead bodies, because you can see a noticeable oval of healthier plant growth. Older cemeteries flourish. There’s a few stories from the Neolithic Era about planting crops on the deceased, both humans and animals, but it’s mostly been erased from history. It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s happened during Famines or situations like the dust bowl where civilizations weren’t rotating crops and depleted the soil.
I have way too much microplastics to be good for environment. Plants would just die form all the heavy metals too
Mortician here! This is, luckily not true. Recomposition is already legal in several states and they’ve had massive success with it. The national and state forests that received the recomposted remains are thriving. The only downside (for some people) is that the person who passed cannot be embalmed, and in most states, that means it’s illegal to have an open casket visitation to the public. Most states have laws that family can see their loved one without embalming if it’s been less than 48 hours after death, but they need liability waivers. The public, however, cannot be a part of an open casket funeral, unless the deceased has been embalmed and sterilized. Closed caskets are fine at any stage. They make hermetically sealing ones that lock in the decomposition smell and keep people safe.
Do you eat at work?
We have a break room, and some people pack food from home? Morbid fact; if a decedent who has excess weight, gets cremated; the whole building smells like bacon. I remember walking in one day, (at my first job that had a crematory retort inside) and was so excited thinking our boss had bought us breakfast… nope… I gave up bacon for over 2 years.
Almost like at McDonald’s, except its different kind of meat I guess
The other white meat
Ugh. I hate being that guy, and I realize it’s a meme, not science, but I can’t leave it alone.
Composting doesn’t get rid of metals, so you’d need a way to deal with them if you wanted to be safe.
also doesn’t remove prion diseases
Not that I disagree with you, but it doesn’t make sense that they are stable in soil given that they are proteins, and those are relatively quickly decomposing in soil.
(Don’t) Ask me how I know.
Prions are quite stable, and also they don’t need to stay in the soil for long, just enough to get reconsumed. Supposedly that’s how CWD (chronic wasting disease, not coarse woody debris), is spread among deer.
Edit: in context with composting, overall temps would be higher in such a pit but not by much. Its anywhere from room temp to 140F/60C. Prion destruction is a lot higher temp wise. As for bacteria in the pile, maybe? It might be more likely to become meaningfully degraded in a compost pile instead of normal soil.
As for cwd prion bio accumulation, it’s been hypothesized but not demonstrated (like grass picking it up from the soil itself). It’s spread in saliva and indirectly from the environment which is probably why you shouldn’t feed deer in areas with cwd and explains a lot of the spread. Also apparently the scrapie prion can endure for 16 years. Wtf.
How do you know the acronym CWD -> coarse woody debris? That’s not one most people are aware of
Notice how everyone knows what is needed to be able to eat or mulch a person, but no-one is directly mentioning the part about killing being required.
I don’t know why we need euphemisms for this. Genuinely I’m asking, not presenting an opinion.
It would be very crass indeed to talk about killing the rich, but the cold hard fact is that if psychotic people are leading the entire planet to get properly fucked, it’s the moral thing to do to get rid of them somehow.
Obviously humanitarian values hold that one shouldn’t kill needlessly.
I guess “eat the rich” reminds us of what we need to do and why; because the poor are hungry for the resources the fucked up rich people are hoarding. It’s also very clearly implied that we could kill the rich, but that we’re willing to avoid it if our hunger gets sated some other way.
In other words “hey rich assholes, we’re not violent people, but unless you start making this more fair, this is going to end up in a situation in which we will have to resort to violence, and there’s a lot more of us than there are of you”.
Or as Percy Bysshe put it more eloquently a few centuries ago in a political poem (thought to perhaps be the first modern statement of the principle of nonviolent resistance.)
Stand ye calm and resolute, Like a forest close and mute, With folded arms and looks which are Weapons of unvanquished war.
And if then the tyrants dare, Let them ride among you there; Slash, and stab, and maim and hew; What they like, that let them do.
With folded arms and steady eyes, And little fear, and less surprise, Look upon them as they slay, Till their rage has died away:
Then they will return with shame, To the place from which they came, And the blood thus shed will speak In hot blushes on their cheek:
Rise, like lions after slumber In unvanquishable number! Shake your chains to earth like dew Which in sleep had fallen on you: Ye are many—they are few!
In the past the commoners treated badly had to contend with rulers in castles with canon loaded with grape shot
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