• Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Unironically, though, yeah, dramatically increase immigration. Immigrants are less likely to commit crimes, less likely to not work, far less likely to draw on social services, and more likely to start businesses. Plus, they can help correct demographic declines in a sustainable manner.

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    1 year ago

    “What’s your solution? Have everyone who wants to come over to the West and get citizenship?”

    Unironically yes.

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      1 year ago

      Would destroy their countries. Have you heard of brain drain?

      Its just not a viable solution. Lets fix their countries instead of abandoning them.

      Plus its not like they won’t bring their issues with them.

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        1 year ago

        Have you heard of brain drain?

        Already happening, m80. Those who are struggling to get into Western countries are generally not the ones with advanced degrees. Most Western countries are pretty open towards offering residency to those with specialized skills and education.

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          1 year ago

          That’s my point. Let’s stop draining their brains, and let’s start fixing their countries.

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            1 year ago

            You said it “Would destroy their countries”, not “Has destroyed their countries”

            Really rather sounds like you would just prefer to reduce immigration.

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                1 year ago

                Freedom of movement is an important leftist ideal. If I invite someone into my home, sell them property, or offer them a job, the state should have no say in that.

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                1 year ago

                Sorry, I’m an American, I don’t go in for that kind of anti-immigration talk.

                “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
                With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
                Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
                The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
                Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
                I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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                  1 year ago

                  I wish that this was still a valued part of our culture. Seems like more and more people are against what built this country, and want to restrict immigration.

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      While the current system is nowhere near perfect, you can’t just let everyone that wants to migrate actually do it. Whether you like it or not, there is a significant portion in every society that would vote for anyone that promises to close the border, as is evident by the rise of right-wing groups stirring up hatred against migrants all over western countries. You will achieve very little if you force the issue and incite a major backlash.

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    hm, how can i make more people come to our side?

    oh let’s threaten to kill them if they don’t!

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      “It’s just a joke, man!” Meanwhile, in Sartre:

      Never believe that anti-Semites neotankies are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge.

      But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites neotankies have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors.

      They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert.