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      Actually everyone I knew who was watching F1 in Germany, stopped so once it went to pay TV.

      It’s not like football became unpopular when the matches were divided between three or so paid services (Dazn, Sky, and I believe some are even on Amazon) and only a fraction ending up on free TV.

      Btw: Some free VPN option like UrbanVPN and the races are free to watch on the Swiss TV’s streaming platform and I’m not aware of any spike in F1 popularity when Sky Germany had to stream two races on YouTube.

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    The green washing has also put me off the sport after 26 years. That and the Americanisation/enshitification of the show.

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      Don’t blame America for this one. We usually get the Sky broadcast from the UK. It’s Englishitification if anything.

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      What do you consider the Americanisation of F1? I don’t watch F1 but I do watch other American sports.

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        It’s becoming more artificial, and having DHL fastest pistop bullshit, Pirelli fastest lap etc. Everything is just an opportunity to increase cashflow. I know it has always been a business first, but I saw this stuff 20+ years ago on indycar/NASCAR and made me gag then. I’m just old school now, and prefer lower tech cars and a straightforward show without artificial drama.

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        It’s becoming more and more a dramatized event where entertainment is the focus and not a sports competition.

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    I’m a vegetarian who doesn’t use AC in the summer, doesn’t drive… And I flipping love F1. I race in VR, I love the sport and I dig how they are trying to make it less destructive.

    How about ban private jets flying into every race? That would be awesome. Just something stupid like that where Toto has to ride with the proles in coach.

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    Meanwhile in F1: Cling to combustion engines at all costs and shout lies about “sustainable” fuels.

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      The cars are not the sustainability issue. If every modern car was as efficient as F1 cars then we would be in a much better spot regarding climate change. The issue is with the massive transportation effort involving planes, trucks, and ships required to transport materials between the races.

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        It’s about the perception, not facts. The general public does not know about transportation in F1. They know that F1 cars still make wroom when they sit in the growing number of VW id.3 cars that are making silent SciFi sounds.

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        They are very efficient yes. But at the same time they aren’t very reliable. If everyone was running an F1 style engine and would have to replace loads of parts constantly we would be in a much worse spot.

        If it was such a good system don’t you think we would already have such engines in regular cars ? There’s a reason why we don’t. Because these systems only work when that engine has to only run for little time in very confined scenarios.

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          They aren’t very reliable because they run at the ragged limits. It is a competition, after all. Motorsport has always been like that, nothing to do with current PU tech.

          The reason we don’t use them in regular cars is because it’s expensive to make, and combustion engines are being phased out anyway.

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              No, running engines at the limits makes things less efficient, which is why on fuel-limited tracks you see a lot of lift and coast and turning down engine modes when that was a thing.

              The efficiency comes from having two different complex energy recovery systems, which is what makes them expensive to transfer to the road.

              Still, you’d see more real world applications if countries’ carbon regulations were tighter.

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      You act like anyone in Germany thinks that coal is greener than nuclear. Believe it or not, but no on does that

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        They are also lying by claiming nuclear is being replaced by coal. How can nuclear be replaced by coal when share of coal is also declining at the same time as nuclear is declining.

        People don’t care about facts. They just want to spread their uninformed hysteria about Germany.

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          more like theres always a huge army of german defenders when their energy sector is criticised

          hows that nord stream 2 project going? very green yes

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            You can criticize it based on facts. Not based on lies. Of course I’m defending Germany when someone is spreading lies.

            I don’t care if you point out actual flaws of anything relating to Germany. Why would I accept people making false claims ?

            Also Nord Stream 2 was not a German only Project. But people like you always like to ignore that fact or aren’t knowledgeable enough to know that fact.

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        I mean the only argument you need is comparing the emissions per capita of Germany to France or Sweden.

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          I mean the only argument you need is comparing the emissions per capita of Germany to France or Sweden.

          Why not Poland, Netherlands, or Belgium?

          Obviously, if you compare countries without heavy industry to countries with heavy industry and ignore all context such as Germany also providing electricity to France when their reactors need to shut down again, claims are easy to make. Those claims don’t hold any water but people like the French can pat themselves on the back for successfully chasing away much heavy industry to China and Poland and let other countries count towards rising emissions because French reactors can’t run in hot summers.

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            I did compare countries with heavy industry. And with a lot of nuclear + renewables in their energy mix specifically, that’s the argument. Could have included Spain too.

            Why not Poland, Netherlands, or Belgium?

            Go right ahead and compare them too. What do they have in common? Still burning a lot of fossils maybe?

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              I did compare countries with heavy industry.

              Sure, buddy:

              Germany has 49% renewable energy, France 20%. Nuclear is not renewable and even worse for the environment than CO2. Germany still needs to burn fossil fuels when it needs to fill in all the time for France’s shut-down reactors.

              Failing to keep production domestic and then relying on imports via cargo from other countries is not good for the environment: https://www.worldstopexports.com/report-card-for-trade-surpluses-and-deficits-by-country/

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                Sure, buddy:

                I specified per capita. You don’t like it, you can look at carbon intensity instead. Whatever way you want to spin it, Germany is still doing much worse at decarbonisation than its neighbours using nuclear power.

                Nuclear is even worse for the environment than CO2

                Wow. Demonstrably false. You’re either mad or you’ve fallen for the decades of fearmongering from the oil megacorps.

                Nuclear plants emit only water vapor, waste is contained and isolated. Unlike fossil fuel waste which goes directly into the atmosphere and kills millions of people a year. While being directly responsible for bringing us to the brink of climate catastrophe, putting billions more at risk. You need to get some perspective.

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                  Wow. Demonstrably false.

                  Amazing. “Demonstrably”, huh? So where is it? Considering that you refused all the time to actually back up your claims with citations, unlike me, I refuse to continuing engaging with you. Edit all your posts to include evidence and you can be taken seriously. Until then: Ba-bye.

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      Why do people like you constantly spread lies lmao. Coal usage is dropping despite not using a tiny amount of nuclear anymore.

      Funny how people are down voting my comment regardless that it is the truth.

      Here for the uneducated people:

      https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/press-media/press-releases/2023/german-net-power-generation-in-first-half-of-2023-renewable-energy-share-of-57-percent.html#:~:text=Coal-fired power generation also,to 20.1 TWh in 2023.

      Coal-fired power generation also fell: Lignite-fired power plants generated about 41.2 TWh, a sharp decline of 21 percent from 2022 (52.1 TWh). Net production from coal-fired power plants also decreased by 23 percent, from 26.2 TWh in 2022 down to 20.1 TWh in 2023. Electricity generation from natural gas decreased only slightly from 24.3 TWh to 23.4 TWh. In addition to gas-fired power plants for the public power supply, gas-fired plants in the mining and manufacturing sectors also supply the industrial own consumption. These approximately produced an additional 24 TWh for industrial captive use.

      Stats say coal share is dropping after nuclear shut down yet people online claim nuclear is being replaced by coal.

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      Oh what a sursprise that a country who has no final storage for nuclear waste decided not to produce more nuclear waste instead of just putting it somewhere and hoping the barrels will not leak again.

      The mistake was not closint down uneconomical and toxic nuclear power plants. The mistake happened years before. It was selling out our solar tech to China

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        Nuclear waste is not the reason they’re closing, it’s purely political. You could fit all of the high-level waste Germany’s ever generated on a football field, and be able to walk around without any protection, getting less radiation dose than in an airplane. Let’s not spread disinformation.

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          Why even bother. The person you replied to doesn’t care about facts. They probably also get medical advice from morons on Facebook.

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        Maybe instead of posting fake news on Lemmy you should inform yourself. Otherwise you just look like a fool. Germany is not replacing nuclear with coal. Germany is also a net exporter of electricity. And yes Germany opted to increase share of coal and gas in 2022. Guess why ?

        Because french nuclear was underperforming and the European electrical grid was at risk. So no Germany didn’t replace nuclear with coal.

        Stats clearly show a decline in coal share that has been long ongoing. And no shutting down those last few nuclear reactors is not reversing that trend.

        https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/press-media/press-releases/2023/german-net-power-generation-in-first-half-of-2023-renewable-energy-share-of-57-percent.html#:~:text=Coal-fired power generation also,to 20.1 TWh in 2023.

        Coal-fired power generation also fell: Lignite-fired power plants generated about 41.2 TWh, a sharp decline of 21 percent from 2022 (52.1 TWh). Net production from coal-fired power plants also decreased by 23 percent, from 26.2 TWh in 2022 down to 20.1 TWh in 2023. Electricity generation from natural gas decreased only slightly from 24.3 TWh to 23.4 TWh. In addition to gas-fired power plants for the public power supply, gas-fired plants in the mining and manufacturing sectors also supply the industrial own consumption. These approximately produced an additional 24 TWh for industrial captive use.

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          Germany is not replacing nuclear with coal

          It just so happened they decreased the amount of nuclear output due to retarded reasons and increased the production of coal based energy. Not a replacement tho.

          Because french nuclear was underperforming

          HANS! THE FRENCH NUCLEAR POWER IS AS UNDERPERFOMING AS THE FRENCH IN GENERAL. START SUCKING NORDSTREAMS LIKE YOU OWE THEM MONEY!

          Brother germany is the representation of everything thats wrong with european energy markerts, consumption and production. No matter how you spin it, germans for no good reason at all shut down their nuclear plants in favour of fossil fuels from coal and gas from rus*ia. Germany is, again, a failed state.

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            Based on your writing style you seem to be very young. Hopefully one day you will be mature enough to understand that your current thought process is lacking in understanding of basic things.