This made me think because raiding peoples homes doesn’t seem right, but saying things like this definitely isn’t right.
In the end I think a inclusive society should exclude it’s exclusive elements.
I feel we just can’t agree on this argument online, and it’s likely because the line for tolerance differs on so many factors, history being a huge one.
I’m aware German laws exist to ban fascist symbols, likely as an ounce of prevention along the lines, “we won’t repeat another Hitler”.
It might take the US falling into a fascist state and being liberated to make us adopt such “drastic” measures as raids. Until then 1A has been routinely held up to protect hate speech so for now it’s up to us as a society to make a conscious decision what we’ll tolerate. We just have to be as vocal about it as the racists/fascists.
The raids were probably because of the threats and not because of antisemitic remarks. The first might get you arrested if you scream it in the streets, but threatening people should get you raided imho
There’s some pretty questionable comment removals here. What exactly triggered Rule 4 in that comment by /u/[email protected], anonymous mod?
Imagine your dumb fuck of a child sending antisemitic hate shit through his phone and a few days later the police raids your home and takes all your devices. Absolute nightmare.
read the goddamn article before posting hyperbolic and false statements like the one you posted here. None of these people are minors, but they are all advocating for the extermination of an entire race.
Were those “free palestine” arrests or legit antisemitism?
You decide:
One suspect allegedly sent a sticker in a WhatsApp school class chat with the words “Gas the Jews.” Another person, a German-Turkish dual citizen, allegedly posted on his account that “the Jewish sons” deserved nothing more than to be “exterminated,” dpa reported.
and from a German source:
A German-Turkish defendant is said to have posted on his account that “the Jewish sons” deserved nothing more than to be slaughtered “and exterminated”.
and
According to the LKA, a Turkish citizen posted a picture of Hitler shortly after October 7, adding: “I could kill all the Jews, but I left some alive to show you why I killed them.” Next to it, he posted a Palestinian flag, the caption “Free Palestine” and an emoji with a victory sign.
well yeah thats pretty antisemitic
oh, if only OP had included a link to the article!!!
Read the damn thing for yourself, it isn’t long at all.
And this is an example of why speech should not be criminalized, even hate speech, unfortunately. Perceptions of what counts as hate speech are subject to change with geopolitical issues that may or may not actually make said speech “hate speech.” Today the nazis are antisemites, tomorrow any critic of Isreal’s reaction to Hamas’ terrorism in Oct is too. You don’t have to like what they (hypothetical people) say but freedom of speech is important, short of actual calls to (violent) action themselves words should not be punishable by legal action. Fight them with your words, show others your way is better, but remember what you do to others can easily be turned back on you in short order.
in the example you mention, one thing is antisemitism, the other is not
the fact they are saying it is doesnt make it so
While true, if people are getting locked up for what you and I agree is not, there is functionally no difference between “is and gets locked up” and “isn’t but still gets locked up.” See what I mean? Saying is one thing, legal action is another. If one can limit speech, “one” being the ruling class/party, then anything they decide to limit can therefore be legally limited and they can turn it like the above article. If the ruling class is instead limited themselves in their abilty to limit speech, yes nazis can say “jews bad because nonsense,” and that sucks, but then you can also say “israel bad because genocide,” even if the ruling class does not want you to.
Case in point, has anyone been arrested for this in America yet? Not that I’m aware of. And that isn’t a bad thing.
yes because it is being used as a tool by a totalitarian government, totalitarian governments would do that regardless of how anyone feels about free speech.
does not mean letting nazis and other criminal scum roam around is a good idea in a free country.
Right, which is bad, and should be called out, which is exactly what I’m doing, which you then come to defend. Face it, the fact that they are a totalitarian (your word) government jailing people for speech is made possible by the fact that they do not have freedom of speech, this is all my exact point.
So whats your point? Governments should not be totalitarian? I mean yeah…
Basically yes. I see people who want it too often.
Being against antisemitism laws
Nazis 🤝 Palestine supporters
Well what is considered antisemitism under the law? Is saying death to Jews or is it questioning the murder of civilians and bombing of refugee camps?
I think it’s this
Volksverhetzung, in English “incitement to hatred” (used also in the official English translation of the German Criminal Code),[1][2] “incitement of popular hatred”, “incitement of the masses”, or “instigation of the people”, is a concept in German criminal law that refers to incitement to hatred against segments of the population and refers to calls for violent or arbitrary measures against them, including assaults against the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning, or defaming segments of the population.
I think being anti-Israeli actions is enough but being anti-Jewish would be. And “death to Jews” definitely counts
During an April 2023 pro-Palestine protest, observers recorded numerous antisemitic chants, including “Death to the Jews”.[25][26] The Berlin Police have confirmed they are investigating charges of Volksverhetzung;[25] two pro-Palestine demonstrations planned for the following weekend were cancelled
From the article you’re commenting on:
The suspects were said to have celebrated the attacks by Palestinian militant group Hamas on Israel on Oct. 7, and were accused of spreading hate speech against Jewish people on social media, using symbols of banned terrorist organizations, dpa reported.
and
One suspect allegedly sent a sticker in a WhatsApp school class chat with the words “Gas the Jews.” Another person, a German-Turkish dual citizen, allegedly posted on his account that “the Jewish sons” deserved nothing more than to be “exterminated,” dpa reported.
So probably more the category “celebrating antisemitic terrorism” and “calling for the extermination of all Jews.”
