ATI Rage 128, 3Dfx, S3 Savage, Intel 810, SiS, VIA and Matrox MGA DRM drivers
Those are some ancient cards! Can’t believe they’re supported this long.
I still have a Rage 128 hanging around as a ‘temporary head’ for installing headless servers. Many happy nights playing Thief: The Dark Project with it, and now it’s only good for rendering a TTY at a barely acceptable resolution. And soon, not even that. Goodbye, little e-waste :-(
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3DFX
There is a name I haven’t heard in a long time.
What do you mean obsolete. I still use 'em.
Maybe you’re obsolete!
Damnit you may be right!
Damn I’m old. I had at least two of those cards
I’ve had a system in the late 90s with a 3dfx voodoo card. Also had a laptop with a SIS card from the early 2000 era.
The voodoo card was THE card to have it it’s day (mine was an older second hand system though). The SIS card… for some reason they decided that standard VESA mode probing wasn’t a thing they supported and would hardware crash when that API was used. I eventually got it working in Linux after patching xfree86 to not attempt probing when loading the VESA driver.
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I think I remember running into that as well but for whatever reason I couldn’t get accelerated-x working with the opengl libraries I was using for school. Likely the issue was just a lack of understanding on my part as I don’t think I had a good grasp of the Linux library loader until well after I graduated.
I thought I was old, but I’ve only even heard of the 3dfx 😳
I must be ancient then. I recognized, and I think used, all of those cards/chips.
Some personally. Some at work. At work I used to maintain and MS-DOS / early Windows graphics program. I had to test the program’s compatibility with a stack of graphics cards.
Oh no, the kernel will lose a whopping 200k SLOC!
Out of 27 million lines of code.
Which makes it 1% total. Which is a lot for one single change
Most of it in drivers.
You know, like the light novel with 12GB, 11.9GB of it in png.
SLOC?
source lines of code
For all worrying about it I’d like to say, you can re-add driver code and compile your own kernel, and everything will be working fine, and last time I’ve read wiki there’s SLTC support for Linux 6.1 means your GPUs will be officially supported until 2033
AMD and nVidia on Windows: So your GPU is still very capable and useful for almost everything including most gaming tasks, but it’s a couple years old and not making us money any more? Sucks to be you, have fun hunting for unmaintained legacy drivers with likely security holes from questionable sources.
Linux: Your video card is from a long bygone era of computing, before the term “GPU” was a thing, and basically a museum piece by now? We’ll maintain a long-term support version for you for the next ten years.
Yeah Linux is great at supporting old hardware. I had an old desktop I built in 2009 lying around doing nothing. So I installed guix w/ a non-libre kernel onto it and brought it back to life!
So much for the legendary hardware support of Linux!
Edit: Forgot “/s”, but look at this lively discussion!
Lol you haven’t upgraded your GPU since the late 90’s?
You know there’s a whole hobby of keeping older hardware running, right?
You’re free to use legacy kernels or run your own fork.
If only they contributed to the kernel maintenance workload.
You know that you can use older versions of the Linux kernel, right?
You know security vulnerabilities are a thing, right?
I know what you mean, I’m so pissed that my 1978 Space Invaders arcade machine doesn’t even support WiFi-6.
Fuckin a
so any remaining users have a few more years to get a new graphics card.
Anyone running a Voodoo is doing so because they want to. Dropping support is bullshit.
Volunteer to maintain the code?
Then pay someone to do the work.
Supporting obscure trash isn’t worth development time.
The drivers were removed in 6.3. Debian 12 is still running on 6.1. Debian 12 just came out and still has many years of support ahead of it (at least 5). You can get plenty of use out of these cards before they stop working.
But they’ll stop working due to artificial causes.
Someone needs to maintain them for them to keep working. Nobody else is willing to do that anymore, but you can still volunteer as a maintainer. If you don’t, it’s as much your fault as anyone elses.
There’s a big difference between dropping a driver and dropping the ability to have the driver. I’ve compiled plenty of drivers.
So just don’t upgrade the kernel
Then 0-day can become known vulnerability. Yay?
What are you doing that is so crucial to keep a 20+ year old piece of consumer hardware connected to the internet? Honest question
To answer the question as given:
https://lyonsden.net/getting-an-amiga-a1200-online-part-1-adding-a-network-card/
https://hackaday.com/2016/12/17/apple-ii-web-server-written-in-basic/
Because. The answer is because.
And if you have a machine that is more capable than those by default then the OS software artificially disabling its use is pretty fucked up.
So, there’s nothing actually crucial, it’s for tinkering. I doubt either the Apple II or the Amiga you linked are going to be secure.
Yeah you’re not actually interested in listening to what’s being said. Bye.
If you’re doing it for the memes then you don’t really need to worry about malware. Your machine is probably too old for anything that’s still floating out there to even work on it.
Many people browse 4-5 pages a day, see a few emails, print a few pdfs, and a core2duo, or x4, for 40#/$/Eu a box run flawlessly with linux and xfce/lxde for example.
Even video-conferencing works fine.Why not?
This is not about “old computers” in general, this is about a specific set of consumer graphics cards that are not needed for any of those things you mentioned.
Also worth noting: a core2duo is from around 2006. These dropped cards are from the late 90s.
Voodoo cards are worth money to the right people. They’re used in a bunch of coin-op arcade games.
And these machines are going to upgrade to kernel 6.8?
why on earth do arcade machines need kernel updates? the feds gonna hack into the highscores lmfao
Do those arcades run Linux?
I bet you’re fun at parties.
Seems like you’re annoyed that I pointed out that what you were saying was irrelevant? And so you reply with more irrelevant crap (on a very nerdy, not-fun-at-parties internet forum for Linux discussion)? Let me know if I got that wrong.
Somebody mentioned Voodoo cards, I had a bit of information that related to that. That’s how discussions work; they kind of go where they go.
But I’ll make absolutely sure to get your permission before I comment again.
Driver code is still there, you can add it back if you want, same with ide drivers and such, support was removed but code still exists, just add it and compile your own kernel, there are alot of tutorials in internet about it
Go add a 2.4 era driver to a modern kernel and see how that goes.
Then support will be until 2033 when 6.1 slts support will end
