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Source: https://t.me/pravdaGerashchenko_en/29009

Russian propagandist Solovyov:

“We will not stop at Kyiv, Warsaw, Paris. We will stop when we feel secure.”

What is security for Russia? The destruction of NATO?

Russia has been living in “counteraction and struggle” with external “bad enemies” for a very long time. This is how the Russian government consolidates society and explains all the problems to it.

Therefore Solovyov is right - they will not stop.

  • Argongas@kbin.social
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    Here’s a wild thought, maybe the best security comes from being a good neighbor and cooperating with people around you.

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      Russians can’t trust. They grow up in a culture where corruption is common and lies more prevalent than reality. The only way a Russian can ever trust a thing is to do it themselves. The only other option is to remove anyone else who can do it better and then claim the advance as a Russian victory.

      Russia can’t be trusted by anyone anymore. Russians will be out for themselves, as they always are.

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      this is russia we’re talking about here, they and germany are the bad neighbors of europe

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    If the west needs any more encouragement to assist Ukraine, here it is.

    The choice is help Ukraine now, or kick the can down the road and lament when Russia is at your borders.

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      The choice is help Ukraine now, or kick the can down the road and lament when Russia is at your borders.

      That might seem scarier if they weren’t nearly 2 years into their 3 day war against their smaller, poorer next-door neighbour.

      Russia is a terrorist shithole state that needs to be dismantled. I wish my country was doing more than providing arms and training.

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    It’s Nazi Germany all over again. Once you declared “total war” there is no way to escalate further and also no way to back down again.

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    Then just die of fright you absolutely cowards, if you think that defending hospitals, schools and civilian apartment buildings is a threat to Russia then just die. If you think a free and honest press is a threat to your government then just die because no sane person will look at your actions and let you continue unabated

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    Do Russians people truly believe they would stand a chance against the whole fucking NATO?

    Propaganda is one thing, but that’s pure delusion.

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      It’s why I imagine the Russian government has been trying to frame this as “self-defense” to its own people, when it’s clearly the opposite.

      They know that people will go to extreme lengths to fight when they believe they’re fighting defensively, for their own people, sovereignty, safety, etc. To that end, it won’t matter if they can realistically defeat NATO- they just want their own people to die trying.

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        While I hear what you’re saying I have yet to witness where did the Ukrainian people strike in Russian land.

        Also, where are we in that “fight against satanistic nazis” story? Does anybody in Russia truly believes that shit, or are they just applying their centuries old coward self-defense skills against tyrant?

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          From the Russian point of view, Russian speaking Ukrainians are their fellow citizens. The Russians claim Ukraine is mistreating them and invade to protect “Russians” in DPR/LPR. It’s total bullshit, but it fits Russian’s desire to be seen as both victims and heroes in their own psychodrama about the war.

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            From the Russian point of view, Russian speaking Ukrainians are their fellow citizens

            But they also see Ukrainians as less-than compared to ethnic Russians. No minority in Russia is truly counted as “real” Russian, and they even have a separate word for “Russians who aren’t ethnic Russians”: россияне or rossiyane, where the word for “real” Russians is русский or russkiy.

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    Only Russian aggression has made Russia insecure. Because now their borders are disputed.
    Russia could have been perfectly secure, by just being a decent neighbor, and not invade other countries.

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        Its predecessor collapsed because of various factors. It doesn’t have to be a special military operation.

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          That’s true, I was more going off the original phrase’s meaning: “Carthago delenda est” translates to “Carthage must be destroyed”, and I didn’t take a reference to it mean eg. an implosion like with the Soviet union but an active destruction by someone

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            I think it’ll be a bit of both. The USSR collapse was partly due to economic factors caused outside itself. Russia relies on exporting resources to support itself economically. Even China might see the advantage in the dissolution of the federation allowing it to enhance influence in regional republics in the East. Russia is not self-sufficient in many aspects and sanctions are gradually squeezing.